parkfieldowl14 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Now that we have been brought back to earth after our last 2 defeats,has the time now come for dave jones to change the way we play at away games and start to put more emphesis on stopping the opposing teams from playing rather than trying to attack teams? changing to a 4-5-1 away formation would be a first step. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hola Tidman Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Sheff Owl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Now that we have been brought back to earth after our last 2 defeats,has the time now come for dave jones to change the way we play at away games and start to put more emphesis on stopping the opposing teams from playing rather than trying to attack teams? changing to a 4-5-1 away formation would be a first step. That's what Irvine did and it doesn't work and everyone was shouting to do what we can do and not worry about them too much. As they say the best form of defence is to attack and we have the players to attack them. We have had years of worrying about others, now let other teams worry about us. I know what your saying tho, maybe just a formation change will help but attacking football is the best way forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Needs to follow Megson's lead away from home. Keep it tight to keep you in the game for the 2nd half, then you're in with a chance of nicking it or coming away with a point. Then by all means have a right good go with two attacking wingers at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parkfieldowl14 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 That's what Irvine did and it doesn't work and everyone was shouting to do what we can do and not worry about them too much. As they say the best form of defence is to attack and we have the players to attack them. We have had years of worrying about others, now let other teams worry about us. I know what your saying tho, maybe just a formation change will help but attacking football is the best way forward. Bristol City,Barnsley,Peterborough those are the sort of games where attacking football can get us results but when we come to play the likes of Blackburn,Bolton,Blackpool etc then maybe a different formation maybe needed 4-1-4-1 possibly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Now that we have been brought back to earth after our last 2 defeats,has the time now come for dave jones to change the way we play at away games and start to put more emphesis on stopping the opposing teams from playing rather than trying to attack teams? changing to a 4-5-1 away formation would be a first step. Excellent Go out there looking to shut opposition teams down, nullify their threats and hope for a 1-0 win (maybe with a sneaky goal on the counter attack ?) Genius Make you wonder why previous managers aren't still here... Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlossyOwl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 4-4-3!! Especially away from home. Think we can stick with just the 11 players at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horny owl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Irvine would sort this sh!t out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 That's what Irvine did and it doesn't work and everyone was shouting to do what we can do and not worry about them too much. As they say the best form of defence is to attack and we have the players to attack them. We have had years of worrying about others, now let other teams worry about us. I know what your saying tho, maybe just a formation change will help but attacking football is the best way forward. no it's not, a more balanced approach, (and in our present position, when up against the bigger sides away from home) that would be better, but most clubs fans would agree with you... hence the number of times you hear "ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK..." in comparison to "DEFEND, DEFEND, DEFEND..." or "SHOW SOME THOUGHT AT SHUTTING THEM DOWN IN MIDFIELD, SHOW SOME THOUGHT AT" oh! isn't that "GER INTO 'EM" though??? for me, you should ideally build up your defence first, and when that end is secure then build the attack, in all the years watching wednesday we've never had a rock solid defence... i had hoped when big jack took over (having had a rock solid defence at middlesborough) he would build one at s6...but no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Excellent Go out there looking to shut opposition teams down, nullify their threats and hope for a 1-0 win (maybe with a sneaky goal on the counter attack ?) Genius Make you wonder why previous managers aren't still here... oh no! not again... hahahaha, like brian cut yer wrist laws??? lets go to reading again and see if we can score 6 for a draw eh??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 4-4-3!! Especially away from home. Think we can stick with just the 11 players at home. goalie when needed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sheff Owl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Bristol City,Barnsley,Peterborough those are the sort of games where attacking football can get us results but when we come to play the likes of Blackburn,Bolton,Blackpool etc then maybe a different formation maybe needed 4-1-4-1 possibly? Was looking back at the goals we have conceded and it's just a case of tightening up more and working as a team. Some of the goals conceded are from stupid defending, either someone not picking up a player or stopping the cross. We have to be aware of whats around us and some players are not doing this. When we attack we can be very dangerous and that shouldn't change. Some players just have to take responsibility for mistakes, simple/basic mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Excellent Go out there looking to shut opposition teams down, nullify their threats and hope for a 1-0 win (maybe with a sneaky goal on the counter attack ?) Genius Make you wonder why previous managers aren't still here... irvine isn't here because he wouldn't listen or learn... megson isn't here because he'd jumped ship on milan at leicester, another dave richards/big ron situation, and was badly trying to defend the last 15 minutes of virtually every game out... you tell us why brian isn't here??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 no it's not, a more balanced approach, (and in our present position, when up against the bigger sides away from home) that would be better, but most clubs fans would agree with you... hence the number of times you hear "ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK..." in comparison to "DEFEND, DEFEND, DEFEND..." or "SHOW SOME THOUGHT AT SHUTTING THEM DOWN IN MIDFIELD, SHOW SOME THOUGHT AT" oh! isn't that "GER INTO 'EM" though??? for me, you should ideally build up your defence first, and when that end is secure then build the attack, in all the years watching wednesday we've never had a rock solid defence... i had hoped when big jack took over (having had a rock solid defence at middlesborough) he would build one at s6...but no... ...but with Big Jack, Wilkinson and BFR we succeeded. So it can't just be about a 'rock solid defence' . Each game will be different. It's about how we play and how we make the other team worry about us. If you start thinking about a rock solid defence and stopping the other team, away from home, you get stuck in the paranoia of fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Irvine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddyowl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 No. Just trust DJ, It'll all come good ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manor Owl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It is irrelevant what Irvine etc did. They did not have the player pool that DJ does. In this division we are still trying to get established. Check the league table after 5 games. Leicester the preseason favourites are below us as are Wolves. Of the five teams we have played, would guess that all apart from Millwall expected to finish above us come end of season. It is no accident that more games are won at home. First season I would urge caution away from home. There are games mainly at home where we should give ourselves chances to WIN. There are some away games and Brighton was typical where not losing was a result. It sounds as though we did not give ourselves a chance to not lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEnchanter Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It's just frustrating how much home advantage comes into play, its one of those things I guess 'win your home games and pick up what you can away from home' and we still havent won in that bloody yellow kit! Whats that now? Must be like 15 games in yellow away from home we havent won for in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 It is irrelevant what Irvine etc did. They did not have the player pool that DJ does. In this division we are still trying to get established. Check the league table after 5 games. Leicester the preseason favourites are below us as are Wolves. Of the five teams we have played, would guess that all apart from Millwall expected to finish above us come end of season. It is no accident that more games are won at home. First season I would urge caution away from home. There are games mainly at home where we should give ourselves chances to WIN. There are some away games and Brighton was typical where not losing was a result. It sounds as though we did not give ourselves a chance to not lose. here, here... summed up in a nutshell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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