Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: They don't It's what Chansiri offered him in the contract he gave him Oh right.. I read it as all players receive money for July irrespective of the contract ending in June. Didn’t realise it was something that muppet had allowed to be inserted in as a clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Just now, Mcguigan said: Outstanding holiday pay? They usually make you take your holidays when on notice as you’d just be sacking it off anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: Oh right.. I read it as all players receive money for July irrespective of the contract ending in June. Didn’t realise it was something that muppet had allowed to be inserted in as a clause It happens at most clubs, if not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: They usually make you take your holidays when on notice as you’d just be sacking it off anyway. No no no. You work your notice or you’re on gardening leave. Your holidays are a legal entitlement, shouldn’t be anything to do with notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Just now, Mcguigan said: No no no. You work your notice or you’re on gardening leave. Your holidays are a legal entitlement, shouldn’t be anything to do with notice. Erm yes yes yes? An employer can 100% make you take outstanding holiday during your notice period. Otherwise everybody would just not book any holiday when they know they’re leaving, and then just sit there doing nothing during their notice period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 23 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: As much as our Chairman offered them Was rhetorically speaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Erm yes yes yes? An employer can 100% make you take outstanding holiday during your notice period. Otherwise everybody would just not book any holiday when they know they’re leaving, and then just sit there doing nothing during their notice period. From Citizens Advice However, employees are entitled to an annual leave payout on resignation. And it is important to note that while an employee can take annual leave and sick leave during their notice period (within reason), it is illegal for an employer to force an employee to take leave as part of the notice period. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, the third man said: From Citizens Advice However, employees are entitled to an annual leave payout on resignation. And it is important to note that while an employee can take annual leave and sick leave during their notice period (within reason), it is illegal for an employer to force an employee to take leave as part of the notice period. I know people who’ve been told they have to take it. I mean, let’s say holidays are 25 days, that’s 5 weeks and about 10% of a year. Also not unusual for notice periods to be anywhere from 1 to 6 months. Let’s say it’s 3 months. You hand your notice in, telling them you’re leaving in 3 months. By that reckoning you’d be able to not take any holiday at all and then demand a 10% uplift to your pay for duration of the notice period in lieu of the holiday. The decision to leave lies with the employee, so why should the employer be more out of pocket financially than if the employee wasn’t leaving at all. I suspect that the citizens advice piece relates to forcing unpaid leave on people as opposed to asking them to take their holiday requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 minute ago, LondonOwl313 said: I know people who’ve been told they have to take it. I mean, let’s say holidays are 25 days, that’s 5 weeks and about 10% of a year. Also not unusual for notice periods to be anywhere from 1 to 6 months. Let’s say it’s 3 months. You hand your notice in, telling them you’re leaving in 3 months. By that reckoning you’d be able to not take any holiday at all and then demand a 10% uplift to your pay for duration of the notice period in lieu of the holiday. The decision to leave lies with the employee, so why should the employer be more out of pocket financially than if the employee wasn’t leaving at all. I suspect that the citizens advice piece relates to forcing unpaid leave on people as opposed to asking them to take their holiday requirement. Would also say there are some companies who say you have to use your holidays within a certain period or lose them. You don’t get paid extra if you don’t use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: I know people who’ve been told they have to take it. I mean, let’s say holidays are 25 days, that’s 5 weeks and about 10% of a year. Also not unusual for notice periods to be anywhere from 1 to 6 months. Let’s say it’s 3 months. You hand your notice in, telling them you’re leaving in 3 months. By that reckoning you’d be able to not take any holiday at all and then demand a 10% uplift to your pay for duration of the notice period in lieu of the holiday. The decision to leave lies with the employee, so why should the employer be more out of pocket financially than if the employee wasn’t leaving at all. I suspect that the citizens advice piece relates to forcing unpaid leave on people as opposed to asking them to take their holiday requirement. No it states for employees and paid leave it is illegal for an employer to force an employee to take leave as part of the notice period. That's it, if anyone you know has been forced to take leave, they need to report the company, as it is illegal, and they would be due compensation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 is this some kind of a wind up? contracts up and still have to pay them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, the third man said: No it states for employees and paid leave it is illegal for an employer to force an employee to take leave as part of the notice period. That's it, if anyone you know has been forced to take leave, they need to report the company, as it is illegal, and they would be due compensation I have a hard time believing that’s the case.. because I know companies and councils actually, so both public and private sector, where you have to use your holiday by the end of the holiday year, or you can only carry over a certain number of days. Anything beyond that you’d lose. Doesn’t make sense for employees who are on their notice period to have their holiday given some sort of special status which they wouldn’t have had they not handed the notice in. Pretty sure you couldn’t demand that your employer pay you cash in lieu of all your holidays when on notice, which is effectively what that’s saying. Not unless it was written that way in your contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hornsby Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, LondonOwl313 said: Oh right.. I read it as all players receive money for July irrespective of the contract ending in June. Didn’t realise it was something that muppet had allowed to be inserted in as a clause I thought it was a standard condition PFA forced all clubs to adopt. Not sure this one just down to Chansiri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest whowantstoberich Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 They wont be getting that, at least he’s useful for something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the third man Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: Pretty sure you couldn’t demand that your employer pay you cash in lieu of all your holidays when on notice, which is effectively what that’s saying. Not unless it was written that way in your contract You can, i have been paid for untaken holidays from the last two jobs i have left, so that definitely happens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 It kind of makes a bit more sense why they tried to put the players back on furlough with this rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstys_12th_Pint Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 hours ago, YesWeCrann said: Another little tweet to stir the pot Joe and get those clicks up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manwithastick Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, LondonOwl313 said: I have a hard time believing that’s the case.. because I know companies and councils actually, so both public and private sector, where you have to use your holiday by the end of the holiday year, or you can only carry over a certain number of days. Anything beyond that you’d lose. Doesn’t make sense for employees who are on their notice period to have their holiday given some sort of special status which they wouldn’t have had they not handed the notice in. Pretty sure you couldn’t demand that your employer pay you cash in lieu of all your holidays when on notice, which is effectively what that’s saying. Not unless it was written that way in your contract (Not for the first time, nor, no doubt, the last) you're wrong. If you are working your notice period, or at home on garden leave for the length of your notice period, or even if you are paid in lieu of your notice period (as happened to me in summer 2020 when I took redundancy) you have to be paid additionally for any holidays accrued and owing up until the last day of your notice period on a pro rata basis. You cannot be forced to take them during that notice period or have their value knocked off your final pay. The requirement to take your holidays during a set 12 month period is completely separate. Use them or lose them. Some companies will allow you to roll over at their own discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 9 minutes ago, Hirstys_12th_Pint said: Another little tweet to stir the pot Joe and get those clicks up. I'd hardly describe explaining the rules (which apply to all clubs, not just something Clueless did) as "stirring the pot". Apparently this rule has been in force for a long time (if someone could advise when it was introduced would be grateful) so just during the course of Clueless's tenure has probably cost us another million or so due to our policy of not actually selling anyone! Small wonder our losses are so astronomical! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LondonOwl313 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Manwithastick said: (Not for the first time, nor, no doubt, the last) you're wrong. If you are working your notice period, or at home on garden leave for the length of your notice period, or even if you are paid in lieu of your notice period (as happened to me in summer 2020 when I took redundancy) you have to be paid additionally for any holidays accrued and owing up until the last day of your notice period on a pro rata basis. You cannot be forced to take them during that notice period or have their value knocked off your final pay. The requirement to take your holidays during a set 12 month period is completely separate. Use them or lose them. Some companies will allow you to roll over at their own discretion. I mean, it was a debate where people were disagreeing but making points, which is fine. But when someone writes in a tone like the above highlighted you know they’re a bit of a ****** just trying to get a reaction which is sad. Can only go on my experience of it. Clearly other people have different experience. Probably does make a difference depending on the specific terms of a contract or the industry you’re in. As I said, does rather much sound like giving holidays special status while on notice period which they otherwise wouldn’t have. I’ve never suggested the holidays wouldn’t be honoured, just debating whether it’s logical an employee could choose to do no work on notice and refuse to take holidays too, therefore costing the employer even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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