fpowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 24/01/2020 at 09:29, LittleG said: Didn't you read what Monk said, it's not always that straightforward. It's the same every Jan and not just at our club; many many deals are done in the last few days. Let's just be patient and see what happens. Yes I did and I don’t fully buy into it if that’s the case I wouldn’t employ scouts, negotiators, recruitment teams etc.... all year round I’d just employ them from the month before the transfer window business can be done ( not all but done can be done ) it’s the jobs of those we employ to identify, negotiate, and secure the deals. That for me is black and white and if they can not deliver them for me they fail and I ask why do we pay them a wage if we’re saying all our business will be done if any on the last day and our targets will keep changing I say we don’t need them I really don’t understand what they do anybody can sit there and make 4th, 5th, 6th choice signings on transfer deadline day we don’t need to employ of full team to do that I’d rather spend that resource on the academy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trev Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, fpowl said: Yes I did and I don’t fully buy into it if that’s the case I wouldn’t employ scouts, negotiators, recruitment teams etc.... all year round I’d just employ them from the month before the transfer window business can be done ( not all but done can be done ) it’s the jobs of those we employ to identify, negotiate, and secure the deals. That for me is black and white and if they can not deliver them for me they fail and I ask why do we pay them a wage if we’re saying all our business will be done if any on the last day and our targets will keep changing I say we don’t need them I really don’t understand what they do anybody can sit there and make 4th, 5th, 6th choice signings on transfer deadline day we don’t need to employ of full team to do that I’d rather spend that resource on the academy Just buy whoever Brentford are after. Sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, trev said: Just buy whoever Brentford are after. Sorted. its a good plan our plan is to follow a team that has a plan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, fpowl said: Yes I did and I don’t fully buy into it if that’s the case I wouldn’t employ scouts, negotiators, recruitment teams etc.... all year round I’d just employ them from the month before the transfer window business can be done ( not all but done can be done ) it’s the jobs of those we employ to identify, negotiate, and secure the deals. That for me is black and white and if they can not deliver them for me they fail and I ask why do we pay them a wage if we’re saying all our business will be done if any on the last day and our targets will keep changing I say we don’t need them I really don’t understand what they do anybody can sit there and make 4th, 5th, 6th choice signings on transfer deadline day we don’t need to employ of full team to do that I’d rather spend that resource on the academy You're telling us that you neither recognise or accept the complications that are involved. Players, Managers, Agents, Owners and Scouts all have their own agenda and the prospective acquiring club have little influence on the outcome. Players and Agents rule the roost and that will remain the case unless there is legislative change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The only way is S6 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Watching Brentford against Leicester at moment. They’re a great pass & move side. Trouble is, Leicester are better passers & movers! Enjoyable for the neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 37 minutes ago, fpowl said: Yes I did and I don’t fully buy into it if that’s the case I wouldn’t employ scouts, negotiators, recruitment teams etc.... all year round I’d just employ them from the month before the transfer window business can be done ( not all but done can be done ) it’s the jobs of those we employ to identify, negotiate, and secure the deals. That for me is black and white and if they can not deliver them for me they fail and I ask why do we pay them a wage if we’re saying all our business will be done if any on the last day and our targets will keep changing I say we don’t need them I really don’t understand what they do anybody can sit there and make 4th, 5th, 6th choice signings on transfer deadline day we don’t need to employ of full team to do that I’d rather spend that resource on the academy If you believe that, that's fine it's your opinion. I just don't think it's as simplistic as you state; identifying a target and then securing a deal. If it was as simple as that all clubs would be doing it that way. Monk has not been here all that long but I'm sure in the last few weeks he's identified what we need; but all deals aren't straightforward, I'm sure there are a few things that could scupper them. We are not cash happy so are restricted in that sense. We may end up with our 3rd or 4th choice but that will be down to circumstances we may have no control over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 21 minutes ago, nevthelodgemoorowl said: You're telling us that you neither recognise or accept the complications that are involved. Players, Managers, Agents, Owners and Scouts all have their own agenda and the prospective acquiring club have little influence on the outcome. Players and Agents rule the roost and that will remain the case unless there is legislative change. Yes I do recognise that my point is very simple if this is the case why do we employ so many people all year round to complete these transfers if were only going to complete them on the last day first day of the window Blackpool signed thorniley from us that deal would have been started weeks/ months before. It was negotiated and agreed so it could be completed on the first off the month if we are saying we can not identify and negotiate and complete a transfer because everybody waits late on in the window i say we either fail as a recruitment team to negotiate and complete or their roles are surplus to requirement unless the transfer window is open from what I get from what the club say is it’s pointless employing these people because the likelihood of actually making an identified target when the window opens is very unlikely and by the time we actually make a signing at the end of the window we are some way off our original targets basically why do we need them I’d rather have more coaches through a structure it’s a very simple question this window like every January the purpose of our recruitment team is un effective so why have them just being them in when needed I seen no point in employing those people from when the window closes through to the end of November because what ever they are doing or working on doesn’t seem to come off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 26 minutes ago, fpowl said: Yes I do recognise that my point is very simple if this is the case why do we employ so many people all year round to complete these transfers if were only going to complete them on the last day first day of the window Blackpool signed thorniley from us that deal would have been started weeks/ months before. It was negotiated and agreed so it could be completed on the first off the month if we are saying we can not identify and negotiate and complete a transfer because everybody waits late on in the window i say we either fail as a recruitment team to negotiate and complete or their roles are surplus to requirement unless the transfer window is open from what I get from what the club say is it’s pointless employing these people because the likelihood of actually making an identified target when the window opens is very unlikely and by the time we actually make a signing at the end of the window we are some way off our original targets basically why do we need them I’d rather have more coaches through a structure it’s a very simple question this window like every January the purpose of our recruitment team is un effective so why have them just being them in when needed I seen no point in employing those people from when the window closes through to the end of November because what ever they are doing or working on doesn’t seem to come off Think you partially answered your own question there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, LittleG said: If you believe that, that's fine it's your opinion. I just don't think it's as simplistic as you state; identifying a target and then securing a deal. If it was as simple as that all clubs would be doing it that way. Monk has not been here all that long but I'm sure in the last few weeks he's identified what we need; but all deals aren't straightforward, I'm sure there are a few things that could scupper them. We are not cash happy so are restricted in that sense. We may end up with our 3rd or 4th choice but that will be down to circumstances we may have no control over. So my point stands if that’s the case why do we employ so many people all year round if it’s unrealistic to get these deals done. Surely we can set a committee up at the end of November and start the process through December and throughout January what do these people do from August - when the window opens that justifies a salary if our targets and all the variables are going to throw all that out. If we know that their employment through this period is redundant and could be spent on coaching or other means that will have an impact on how we perform. what I’m saying is we are justifying not making any signings due to variables my point is it’s the job of everyone involved in recruitment to counter this and make them happen. If what we are saying is that’s not possible because of the variables then my point is there jobs are not warranted all year round what do these people do on a daily weekly basis because from what I understand or trying to make sense of it doesn’t matter because until the window opens because it’s that unstable and there’s so many things that can effect bringing a player in it’s pointless employing them until the windows open my question what was these guys doing in October September November and December where we have benefited from there employment and I’m guessing we will see the same results next January we should have a summer recruitment team and a January one we don’t need them employed all year round because it’s not effective to do so unless I’m massively missing something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, Hookowl said: Think you partially answered your own question there. Yes I did so my point if we can not identify, negotiate and recruit effectively because of the market or because of our ability to do so it’s not the question it’s about the recruitment then we don’t need to employ people through months when we can’t trade it’s not effective Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LittleG Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Just now, fpowl said: So my point stands if that’s the case why do we employ so many people all year round if it’s unrealistic to get these deals done. Surely we can set a committee up at the end of November and start the process through December and throughout January what do these people do from August - when the window opens that justifies a salary if our targets and all the variables are going to throw all that out. If we know that their employment through this period is redundant and could be spent on coaching or other means that will have an impact on how we perform. what I’m saying is we are justifying not making any signings due to variables my point is it’s the job of everyone involved in recruitment to counter this and make them happen. If what we are saying is that’s not possible because of the variables then my point is there jobs are not warranted all year round what do these people do on a daily weekly basis because from what I understand or trying to make sense of it doesn’t matter because until the window opens because it’s that unstable and there’s so many things that can effect bringing a player in it’s pointless employing them until the windows open my question what was these guys doing in October September November and December where we have benefited from there employment and I’m guessing we will see the same results next January we should have a summer recruitment team and a January one we don’t need them employed all year round because it’s not effective to do so unless I’m massively missing something Can't be arsed anymore. We've both expressed our opinions, we're not going to agree so let's leave it there. Have a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 minute ago, LittleG said: Can't be arsed anymore. We've both expressed our opinions, we're not going to agree so let's leave it there. Have a good one. It’s not about being arsed I’m not having a pop I’m genuinely interested into why we do this and why people defend what happens it’s common acceptance everybody signs players at the end and targets change drastically throughout the window so any prep work goes out the window ( no pun intended ) so why do we waste money on prepping surely there has to be a benefit in it and I don’t see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asteener1867 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Can some f.ooker please check if we actually opened a f.ookin' window!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hookowl Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, asteener1867 said: Can some f.ooker please check if we actually opened a f.ookin' window!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yep it's open.......................................nothing out there though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 (edited) On 22/01/2020 at 14:35, Inspector Lestrade said: Are clubs allowed to setup the transfer well before the window opens? Then finalise it at the start of the window. So we don't have this will they won't they situation? Club is trying really hard to bring in loans.......apparently. Would not be surprised at all if DC comes out in a few months and explains that we are touching cloth FFP-wise and we are under a self-imposed embargo. Edited January 25, 2020 by airborne_rat_of_s6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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