The Night-Owl Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) Doubt we will get Rhodes but in order to keep consistently challenging and to get where we want to go in the long run, the gamble and risk must be taken on players like Rhodes. The rewards and positives far outweigh the negatives and risks. We all know what happened in the past but this is a new era, our time as come again and we have to go for it whilst we can as numerous others will take that chance if we don't. Edited January 1, 2017 by Milan Missing Marble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 His general play leaves a lot to be desired, and his likely cost means it's a no from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 You don't buy goalscorers like Rhodes for overall play. You buy goalscorers for their proven consistency and goalscoring. We've already brought in quality but we will need to keep bringing in quality and players of Rhodes ilk in order to maintain a challenge and to get promoted, if we don't take the gamble others will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 33 minutes ago, Milan Missing Marble said: You don't buy goalscorers like Rhodes for overall play. You buy goalscorers for their proven consistency and goalscoring. We've already brought in quality but we will need to keep bringing in quality and players of Rhodes ilk in order to maintain a challenge and to get promoted, if we don't take the gamble others will. The more quality you have, the less you need players like Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twolaptops Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 A lot say his overall play is irrelevant......he puts the ball in the net.........so he isn't playing for Boro why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidioso Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 50 minutes ago, JUNNY said: Rhodes aint coming you deluded fannies dont have to be ITK to know this You sound like a nice chap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 33 minutes ago, twolaptops said: A lot say his overall play is irrelevant......he puts the ball in the net.........so he isn't playing for Boro why ? Because they have better quality players, not a lot, but enough to keep him on the sidelines It's the same with us, unless we can afford to hire him as an option from the bench, what's the point in bringing him in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 minute ago, gurujuan said: The more quality you have, the less you need players like Rhodes We've got plenty of quality and creativity, and goalscorers but yet we still struggle for goals or struggle to kill teams off. We create chances, dominate some games and we're hard to beat but if we turn those chances into more goals we'd cement a top six place without clinging onto it by our finger-tips and would even get nearer to the top 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, gurujuan said: Because they have better quality players, not a lot, but enough to keep him on the sidelines It's the same with us, unless we can afford to hire him as an option from the bench, what's the point in bringing him in Negredo would keep all of our current strikers out of the side too. Think Karanka favours one up top? Rhodes doesn't suit their system but yet still scored a few for them at this level. Which he's consistently done for quite a few years. Put him in our team and consistently set him up, he'd soon get his sharpness back I'm pretty certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, Milan Missing Marble said: Doubt we will get Rhodes but in order to keep consistently challenging and to get where we want to go in the long run, the gamble and risk must be taken on players like Rhodes. The rewards and positives far outweigh the negatives and risks. We all know what happened in the past but this is a new era, our time as come again and we have to go for it whilst we can as numerous others will take that chance if we don't. Aah thank God i thought i was going mad. Some of the 'debate' on this thread, even allowing for the peaks & troughs of outrageous opinion on Owlstalk have been off the scale. It goes from people who sound like penny pinching old biddies counting their coppers in front of a single bar gas fire pleading poverty, to Butchers, Bakers and assorted Candle Stick makers suddenly having a degree in Economics, becoming sports specialist accountants and lecturing us on the intricacies of the subject no one understands, FFP. Others, in order to further there 'do nothing' campaign throw a 'Red Herring' into the equation and argue in some bizarre way it somehow becomes a choice between Rhodes & Forestieri. (Equivalent to Barcelona signing Suarez and kicking Messi out). Others point out the perils of one expensive marquee signing saying there are no guarantees, he could get injured and that we are better 'watering down' the 'equivalent' spending on 3 or 4 players, (as if it works like that). The other recurring argument is that, (even with all the evidence to the contrary), we do not need to strengthen in the striking dept. Surely history tells us that it is the successful teams we should be mimicking and it is the successful teams around the globe that have invested in quality that have had the major success. Considering we have been a 'nearly' team (not even that, most of the time) in living memory and sold talent rather than buy it. I find it absolutely beyond belief the number of people on here that are advocating the very same approach that has seen us wallow in the backwaters for so long. Maybe it's a South Yorkshire aversion to risk, safety first attitude. We dabbled with it small time in the 90s in a completely mis managed way. That didn't end well so let's never have any ambition ever again. We now live in a totally different era but still have the same old mind sets. "Not fer likes of us", has never been more apt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 34 minutes ago, Milan Missing Marble said: We've got plenty of quality and creativity, and goalscorers but yet we still struggle for goals or struggle to kill teams off. We create chances, dominate some games and we're hard to beat but if we turn those chances into more goals we'd cement a top six place without clinging onto it by our finger-tips and would even get nearer to the top 2. I can see the logic in that, but I think we have the players to do that, and don't believe just tacking on Rhodes would help us. The key to unlocking those goals, is for Carlos to get the system right. Forestieri, Hooper and Fletcher, can all score goals at this level, they just need the right supply options. We have the player to solve that issue, in Abdi, we just need to find a way of incorporating him into the side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls-swfc Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Jamie_W said: Nuhihuhiu.. Joaoa.. FFF.. Fletecher... Hopper... Jamie, your not very good with names are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Night-Owl Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, gurujuan said: I can see the logic in that, but I think we have the players to do that, and don't believe just tacking on Rhodes would help us. The key to unlocking those goals, is for Carlos to get the system right. Forestieri, Hooper and Fletcher, can all score goals at this level, they just need the right supply options. We have the player to solve that issue, in Abdi, we just need to find a way of incorporating him into the side. Well not just Rhodes or nothing, there are other strikers we could go for too. Maybe someone different to what we possess? A bit of pace? Or a consistent goal scorer like Rhodes? Whatever the answer, our strikers aren't converting enough of the chances they're being given, and ultimately it's that department that could be our undoing if we fail to hang onto a top six spot or fall at the play off hurdle again come the end of the season. The balance to me now seems better again with Hutchinson back in midfield. Plus bringing in McManaman and getting our wingers in form should help too. But still we don't seem to score enough. Edited January 1, 2017 by Milan Missing Marble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waddleisgod Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 hour ago, JUNNY said: Rhodes aint coming you deluded fannies dont have to be ITK to know this Happy new year Nobber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigthinrob Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Just now, Milan Missing Marble said: Well not just Rhodes or nothing, there are other strikers we could go for too. Maybe someone different to what we possess? A bit of pace? Or a consistent goal scorer like Rhodes? Whatever the answer, our strikers aren't converting enough of the chances they're being given, and ultimately it's that department that could be our undoing if we fail to hang onto a top six spot or fall at the play off hurdle again come the end of the season. The big difference mate and i referred to it earlier is that Rhodes is actually available, whereas others are not. if we look this gift horse in the mouth, we do so at our peril, because proven strikers don't come around every day, hence their valuations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 1 hour ago, JUNNY said: Rhodes aint coming you deluded fannies dont have to be ITK to know this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 5 minutes ago, waddleisgod said: Happy new year Nobber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stocksyuto Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Fans would not like Rhodes at Wednesday because owls fans love players who can do everything play in goal, defend and run 70 yards beating 7 men before launching it in the net and celebrating before it's even gone in if he can't do all this he will get labelled as lazy if he's not banging them in and we will see 5 posts per week about it until he does score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 34 minutes ago, Milan Missing Marble said: Well not just Rhodes or nothing, there are other strikers we could go for too. Maybe someone different to what we possess? A bit of pace? Or a consistent goal scorer like Rhodes? Whatever the answer, our strikers aren't converting enough of the chances they're being given, and ultimately it's that department that could be our undoing if we fail to hang onto a top six spot or fall at the play off hurdle again come the end of the season. Maybe, yes. Frankly though, I believe it's an issue of service. Look at Forestieri, Fletcher and Hooper, they all like balls into the box, down the side of the centre backs. That's where most of their goals come from. In Abdi, we already have the player to feed those balls into the box. We persist with two wingers, when none of those three strikers thrive on high crosses into the box, and knock downs. What do our wingers do, they don't go on the outside, constantly cutting inside, and to what avail? They rarely score, or even get into a position to score, they are luxury we can't afford. The answers are there, in my opinion, Carlos just needs to find a way of putting all the parts together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gildersleves Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, bigthinrob said: Aah thank God i thought i was going mad. Some of the 'debate' on this thread, even allowing for the peaks & troughs of outrageous opinion on Owlstalk have been off the scale. It goes from people who sound like penny pinching old biddies counting their coppers in front of a single bar gas fire pleading poverty, to Butchers, Bakers and assorted Candle Stick makers suddenly having a degree in Economics, becoming sports specialist accountants and lecturing us on the intricacies of the subject no one understands, FFP. Others, in order to further there 'do nothing' campaign throw a 'Red Herring' into the equation and argue in some bizarre way it somehow becomes a choice between Rhodes & Forestieri. (Equivalent to Barcelona signing Suarez and kicking Messi out). Others point out the perils of one expensive marquee signing saying there are no guarantees, he could get injured and that we are better 'watering down' the 'equivalent' spending on 3 or 4 players, (as if it works like that). The other recurring argument is that, (even with all the evidence to the contrary), we do not need to strengthen in the striking dept. Surely history tells us that it is the successful teams we should be mimicking and it is the successful teams around the globe that have invested in quality that have had the major success. Considering we have been a 'nearly' team (not even that, most of the time) in living memory and sold talent rather than buy it. I find it absolutely beyond belief the number of people on here that are advocating the very same approach that has seen us wallow in the backwaters for so long. Maybe it's a South Yorkshire aversion to risk, safety first attitude. We dabbled with it small time in the 90s in a completely mis managed way. That didn't end well so let's never have any ambition ever again. We now live in a totally different era but still have the same old mind sets. "Not fer likes of us", has never been more apt. Spot on Rob,good article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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