Bluesteel Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Bet we didn't want Eddie Howe when he was doing quite well at Bournemouth in league 1. Bit of foresight please guys he's a good young manager. I'd hate him to be the next Eddie Howe and we missed out. If he was anything like Eddie Howe I'd probably agree with you. Although he has been linked to championship jobs for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 3-5-2, no thanks some do want attacking football... 3-5-2 is hardly likely to get you promoted, but... in a season you have to be capable of most things to get through... and as a side who went through a whole season at home with barely an idea on scoring, at times 3-5-2 might have seen some greater intent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Randy Weasels Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Cooper certainly is a bizarre choice. I think Chansiri needs better advisors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 He's achieved less than the likes of Brian Laws when we appointed him. Mark Cooper has done very little to indicate to me that he's the man to take Sheffield Wednesday to the next level. His Swindon team somehow managed to finish 4th last season despite losing every week. They then proceeded to produce one of the worst play off final performances you'll ever see (an OT XI could have scored against them) and that was following that near pathetic capitulation against an even poorer side in the Blunts. 3-5-2?!? Whoop de flipping do. A formation which needs specialist players to be effective (how many wing backs do we have, exactly?) and one where, if the players aren't up to it, you can get absolutely rinsed down the wings and have the three centre backs getting pulled all over the place. I think Palmer, Vermijl and Helan would all be better suited to playing wing back than an orthodox full back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 yeah but does carlos like to play 3-5-2? Therein lies the potential problem for me, I dont have an issue with the new structure but it needs to be crystal clear who does what and who has final call on selection and tactics. All maybe revealed but just concerns me we are going to have too many cooks. committees generally come to an agreement eventually, some would call it a fudge... it's rarely a hard nosed commitment, and on the day it's put together it's likely to have some doubters, and hours, days, weeks down the line there will be doubters for definate... i actually prefer one man in charge, listening and taking council from others no doubt, but just the one man responsible for where the buck stops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Well said Hoots. Whoever is brought in will get 100% support from me. Unless it is Demo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 As I said in another thread, he's nearly got them up on a low budget playing good football and has developed a number of his players to the point where the club have made multi million pound profit this summer 45% win ratio over two seasons My father in law is a blade, knows his stuff and saw em home and away last season ( not the play off games) - thought they were outstanding at keeping the ball, pass and move .... I can see no good reason to get Cooper in. There is nothing at all to suggest he is the man to take us forward. it is of course a judgement call... whilst i think with (hopefully) better players in, cooper could play a more attractive game to the non partisan eye... the actual win, draw, loss % may get no better, or the points/position... whilst i have serious doubts that this IS the man to lead us to the premier league... i'm not paying for it, so it's not my decision... as a paying customer, i'll only have to decide IF i'm willing to pay to attend, and how often... and generally speaking as wednesdayites it's not like we're used to mountains of success, so i'm likely to attend to watch his side, let's be fair, we watched irvine's,(well those who could stay awake did)... i'll repeat here, just not sure he's THE MAN to lead us to the prem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 I'm more concerned about bringing some quality players in than the supposed skill or abilities of a new coach. The players and the quality of them will be the biggest deciding factor in our success going forward. Which isn't to say the coaching team has no importance, it's just that the calibre of players is more important. a ron atkinson will attract players... a danny wilson won't attract the same calibre... for ron they played with passion... for danny they wanted to f**k off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Shutt is God Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 it is of course a judgement call... whilst i think with (hopefully) better players in, cooper could play a more attractive game to the non partisan eye... the actual win, draw, loss % may get no better, or the points/position... whilst i have serious doubts that this IS the man to lead us to the premier league... i'm not paying for it, so it's not my decision... as a paying customer, i'll only have to decide IF i'm willing to pay to attend, and how often... and generally speaking as wednesdayites it's not like we're used to mountains of success, so i'm likely to attend to watch his side, let's be fair, we watched irvine's,(well those who could stay awake did)... i'll repeat here, just not sure he's THE MAN to lead us to the prem... I suppose the strange thing is sometimes it just clicks. I am finding it hard to think it could click under Cooper but what do I know. I hope I am wrong if he is appointed. Just doesn't feel like he has the pedigree to get to where we all want to be. It's a difficult time for us fans because there is so much uncertainty over the manager and the quality of players we might be bringing in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_Owl Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 some do want attacking football... 3-5-2 is hardly likely to get you promoted, but... in a season you have to be capable of most things to get through... and as a side who went through a whole season at home with barely an idea on scoring, at times 3-5-2 might have seen some greater intent... Or we could just play 442 with 2 decent wingers and 2 strikers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Of course we did give it a go in grays first season, especially once we were safe. Sadly we conceded 2 a game as a result so gray rightly built a team like designed to keep clean sheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Or we could just play 442 with 2 decent wingers and 2 strikers as someone (not going digging to find out who) just pointed out... 2 attacking wingers take away from your defensive m/f strength... 2 all rounders who are good in attack, and get back to do a good job at the other end maybe somewhat in demand by other clubs too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Of course we did give it a go in grays first season, especially once we were safe. Sadly we conceded 2 a game as a result so gray rightly built a team like designed to keep clean sheets. i do feel had gray stayed and attacking options were added in m/f, with some heavy handed forwards fetched in... we had a chance of being at the races this term... we had somewhat got the defensive element secured last term, with a better supply from m/f, and way better finishing up top i think we would have stood a hell of a chance of making the playoff's... for me to feel we're in with the same chance under cc and cooper, i expect to see an attempt to improve the quality of football at s6, but will it be overall winning football? on that i'm not so sure... it's almost late june, it looks like we're losing personnel rather than gaining them, we appear bogged down in appointing a management team, we're run by a committee... we need to start seeing things happen in the opposite direction... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatzooma Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Let's go all out to get Fatzooma!I'm up for it!Cooper OUTI came out years ago Dave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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