sturutter Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Games on the last day of the season are made to kick off at the same time for a very good reason. The League do not seem to have realised that this should also apply to games on the penultimate day. The team kicking off later could easily have an advantage from knowing the other side's result. Here's a couple of ways that the Blades could be helped by their later kick off at 5.20pm against Stevenage, on the penultimate Saturday: They go into the match 3 points ahead: They know that they just need a point, and so can play a draw out from 10-20 mintues to go. If this is because we have faltered at Brentford that day, it's an advantage they could never have had if the games kick off at the same time. They go into the match 6 points behind: They know that they have to win, and so can 100% go for it. Yes, it's fairly unlikely to make a difference, but it is definitely possible, and I'm amazed the league can't see it. We actually got screwed over by it once before, with the timing of Palace vs West Brom, the penultimate match in 2010. The numbers meant that Palace knew a draw was no better than a defeat, and could go all out for the win. Ironically, it ended in a draw, but it definitely made a big difference, as, with the score 1-1, they went all out for it from long before time as if they were behind. Obviously it would have all been less painful had Palace just won that day, but that's not the point! The point is that there is history of this timing being a significant advantage against Wednesday, and it's annoying that we could get screwed again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
standerino Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) Owls for fairness in football! Edited April 5, 2012 by standerino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrosbyKitchens Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It is what it is. We get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willowl Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Lets concentrate on ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee A Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 If we dont go up, it's because we screwed ourselves away at Walsall, at home to Huddersfield etc. Wouldn't read too much into the timing of games to be honest, complaints like this is United's style, not ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Our last game and next 3 - or 2 of the next 3, all kick off before the Blunts. Win these games and it puts pressure on the Pigs. Lose any of them and it is our own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturutter Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 It is what it is. We get on with it. Disagree. The league/Sky TV may or may not realise it, but they are handing an advantage to the team they decide will kick off second. Obviously there's nothing we can do about it, and we should concentrate on ourselves, but in principle, it's not fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest York-owl-chris Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 You've got some good points and I agree but like it's been said before, the main reason for not going up automatically (if we don't) would be dropped points and this is exactly the kind of thing pigs fans would actually complain about....in court UTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 But where does it stop? United could seal 2nd place on the 3rd to last game for example - do we change those kick off times too? The last game of the season is set as it is because that is when MOST situations are resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 It is what it is. We get on with it. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BoomTownOwls Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) The Oldham match will be the 4th in a row where we have kicked off before Unitrd and had the chance to put them under real pressure. Furthermore , if we win you could argue we have unfairly put United in a higher pressure situation than is fair against Stevenage. It is what it is and for me we have the advantage not them if we win. Get on with it. Edited April 5, 2012 by BoomTownOwls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest intercity0wl Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Games on the last day of the season are made to kick off at the same time for a very good reason. The League do not seem to have realised that this should also apply to games on the penultimate day. The team kicking off later could easily have an advantage from knowing the other side's result. Here's a couple of ways that the Blades could be helped by their later kick off at 5.20pm against Stevenage, on the penultimate Saturday: They go into the match 3 points ahead: They know that they just need a point, and so can play a draw out from 10-20 mintues to go. If this is because we have faltered at Brentford that day, it's an advantage they could never have had if the games kick off at the same time. They go into the match 6 points behind: They know that they have to win, and so can 100% go for it. Yes, it's fairly unlikely to make a difference, but it is definitely possible, and I'm amazed the league can't see it. We actually got screwed over by it once before, with the timing of Palace vs West Brom, the penultimate match in 2010. The numbers meant that Palace knew a draw was no better than a defeat, and could go all out for the win. Ironically, it ended in a draw, but it definitely made a big difference, as, with the score 1-1, they went all out for it from long before time as if they were behind. Obviously it would have all been less painful had Palace just won that day, but that's not the point! The point is that there is history of this timing being a significant advantage against Wednesday, and it's annoying that we could get screwed again. whoever wins this promotion Tussle wins it, i certainly wont be blaming it on Sky, we have thrown daft points away and that is the only reason we are not beating our already superb points total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
townend_owl Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 As much as it could do them a favour, it could add pressure and do us a favour as well. you could argue it either way and there really is no use talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lamort Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 As long as we win our games, stuff what everyone else does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh_weds_we_love_you Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 whoever wins this promotion Tussle wins it, i certainly wont be blaming it on Sky, we have thrown daft points away and that is the only reason we are not beating our already superb points total. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturutter Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 (edited) I completely agree that we will only have ourselves to blame, and that there is no way we're looking at this as a Blades-style excuse. We all complained last week that Blades had a dodgy penalty at Hartlepool, and we were right to do so. We're allowed to complain about things between ourselves without using it to start preparing excuses for not getting promoted. That's what fans do. And I think we'd be right to complain in exactly the same way if they're able to play out a draw in a way they would never have been able to if games kicked off at the same time. As long as we win our games, stuff what everyone else does! not true unfortunately. Only the Blades are able to say this. Edited April 5, 2012 by sturutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sheff Owl Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 These are the games we need to look at and see where we chucked away points.. Owls Vs Hudderfields - Rhodes - 97 minutes...score 4-4 DRAW Walsall Vs Owls - Gnakpa - 91 minutes, Smith 94 minutes....score 2-1 LOSE Owls Vs Hartlepool - Sweeney - 87 minutes....score 2-2 DRAW Exeter Vs Owls - 2-1 LOSE Chesterfield Vs Owls - 1-0 LOSE Owls Vs Stevenage - 1-0 LOSE Rochdale Vs Owls - 0-0 DRAW Owls Vs Walsall - 2-2 DRAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darra Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 Just be thankful that we wont even consider suing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted April 5, 2012 Share Posted April 5, 2012 These are the games we need to look at and see where we chucked away points.. Owls Vs Hudderfields - Rhodes - 97 minutes...score 4-4 DRAW Walsall Vs Owls - Gnakpa - 91 minutes, Smith 94 minutes....score 2-1 LOSE Owls Vs Hartlepool - Sweeney - 87 minutes....score 2-2 DRAW Exeter Vs Owls - 2-1 LOSE Chesterfield Vs Owls - 1-0 LOSE Owls Vs Stevenage - 1-0 LOSE Rochdale Vs Owls - 0-0 DRAW Owls Vs Walsall - 2-2 DRAW This is Owlstalk - it is LOOSE, not LOSE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturutter Posted April 5, 2012 Author Share Posted April 5, 2012 These are the games we need to look at and see where we chucked away points.. Owls Vs Hudderfields - Rhodes - 97 minutes...score 4-4 DRAW Walsall Vs Owls - Gnakpa - 91 minutes, Smith 94 minutes....score 2-1 LOSE Owls Vs Hartlepool - Sweeney - 87 minutes....score 2-2 DRAW Exeter Vs Owls - 2-1 LOSE Chesterfield Vs Owls - 1-0 LOSE Owls Vs Stevenage - 1-0 LOSE Rochdale Vs Owls - 0-0 DRAW Owls Vs Walsall - 2-2 DRAW Everyone has chucked away points that they shouldn't. The Blades can look back to a certain game in October where they let a two goal lead slip in the last 7 minutes. This is possibly going to be decided by the smallest margins, and we should be able to expect the League to make it a fair playing field. We are the FANS, we are not part of the management team. We don't have to have the right mentality of concentrating only on our results, and not feeling sorry for oursevles. We're ALLOWED to spend our time thinking about what may go for or against the Blades, and we're ALLOWED to feel sorry for ourselves when the League creates a (small) unfairness in the timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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