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  1. All of the debate in this thread has been about decisions. It's exactly that that makes us miss the crucial point. Even if you speed the process up, even if you show replays, even if you communicate better, even if you get every decision right, you badly damage the exact moments that we love football. Think of the moments that keep you going through the rest of the misery, and they are all the pure, instant, doubt-free joy of a goal. That is changed forever when VAR comes, and we are walking straight into it. "Celebrating twice" has not at all played out. What you instead get is one, more muted celebration, and then effectively standing, hoping that the game kicking off will bring an end to the doubt. Ask anyone who supports a Premier League team and is in the minority that actually goes to the game, and they will tell you about the numbing of emotions. Yes, it can provide some drama when the opposition has a goal ruled out, but that is nowhere near the same. We do not go to football to see "DECISION: NO GOAL" on a big screen. We go for the joy of a goal, and all the suspense that leads up to that. Damage that moment, and you damage everything. This is the biggest fundamental change in watching football in our lifetime. Var DOES make the game fairer. It already has. But, we are choosing between a slightly fairer game, and a more enjoyable game. Do we really want to take the game that seriously that we choose a bit more fairness over enjoyment? I think to do so would be mad.
  2. The fact that it was way onside is the exact point. We didn't know that at all in the ground. In a VAR era, having seen alot go to VAR and some canceled out, we would instantly have doubted
  3. No, it's not at all that VAR would have overruled the goal; it was of course onside. It is that we wouldn't have known that. Behind all the arguments about where the line goes and what is clear and obvious, the true tragedy of VAR is that, with every goal comes doubt. Our goal was perfectly fine, but there is no way at all of knowing that in the ground. Not even with the perfect view, and definitely not from behind the goal. At the time, lucky enough to be free from VAR, we had joy, relief, pandemonium. The feelings that make it all worthwhile. With VAR, yes, you still celebrate, but it can never be the same. As soon as a goal goes in, the purity we have in the lower leagues is replaced under VAR by a mental calculation- "will it stand, what are the chances it gets looked at?" One massively misunderstood point is that, yes, there is hope that the process may improve and the decisions become better, but with that, this fundamental problem does NOT change. Even if VAR one day becomes perfect, you still have the doubt. As soon as it comes down to us, our experience of the most crucial moments of a football match are changed for ever; and only for the worse. That is really sad. We must oppose it before it comes in. Seperate all the arguments about how well it works from the crucial argument, that the damage it does to the moment of a goal cannot be avoided. Fight against it; we will regret it once it comes.
  4. I did try. No good, you can't buy as a first time buyer. I then tried to add it with the only avlaiable event ( a Queen concert!) and that didn't work either!
  5. Will take any time up to the last minute, PM me
  6. Will take any time up to the last minute, PM me
  7. Colliery Tavern next to the ground is the friendliest pub Ive been in all year. Would keep quiet during the game, but they'll definitely have it on. Let me know if you go, I'll be there too
  8. If you asked any Wednesday fan, "which of these is the Wednesday way? 1) Hold a playoff spot fairly safe with 3 games to go, mess it up, and lose it 2) Have very little chance of automatic promotion at the start of April, but storm through, and steal it from a local rival? Almost everyone is answering "number one." However, number one, to my knowledge, we have never done. Number two, we did ten years ago Maybe we shouldn't be as pessimistic as it seems. We should go for this.
  9. Agree that the numbers aren't simple. It's also not as simple as 9 points definitely getting us there. But, on this whole issue, the main thing to talk is numbers. You could little better than give it to a sports analytics team. I think they would tell you something like this: "The most important thing here is that the gaps between the two prizes are not equal. One is four times bigger than the other. Simply put, it is worth putting the smaller prize at some risk, to maximise the chances of the bigger prize. It's also the case that if you lose on Saturday, of course that will make things nervy, but the chance of getting the 25% prize is still in good shape. When you ask "If they went for it and lost, would I be on their case or go for them?".... It would be very hypocritical of me after this post to criticise! I would be gutted that the coin landed the wrong side up, but would really applaud their approach. It is the right one. However, I know that I would be on my own. Not only the fans, but the press, would conclude that we had recklessly harmed our chance. And that threat of criticism is the EXACT problem. If Darren Moore asked the analytics team "Ok, so the best chance of promotion is to take this unusual gamble, but what is best for me personally?" they wouldn't be wrong to say "Well, it would harm your overall chance of promotion, but if you want to avoid the chance of being the guy that burnt his team's chance, take the point."
  10. Agree, but I'm talking about an unusual approach, where we really go for it, and are willing to jeapordise the point. That's not something we, or any away team, normally does. There is previous of this, and it comes from one of the very best managers and techincal staff. Remember's Alisson's last minute header for Liverpool at West Brom this time last year? You would think it was either an equaliser, or in a match that they absolutely had to win, to have any chance of the top four They didn't have to win at all; they were part of the mix and still had a good chance even if they had drawn. It was a calculated gamble, and didn't get enough recognition for being the first of its type, which could easily have backfired had West Brom broken and scored. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the instruction to gamble came from the analytics staff; and they were right.
  11. Until yesterday, we very much imagined that we would gladly take a point on Saturday; the point that keeps Wycombe far enough away from us that we edge closer to the playoff line. However, yesterday produced an unexpected enough turn of events, that a new line is in sight. I am not saying the playoffs is safe; we are naturally pessimistic, and not without reason. But, we have to give ourselves the best possible chance of seizing this automatic dream. After all, we have done it from an unlikely situation before. I wouldn't put the "let's gamble" argument down to any mentality, as much as the simple mathematics of promotion. If we get 2nd, we are 100% promoted. If we finish 4th, say, then the usual pre-playoff arguments about momentum, home advantage, destiny or the like, don't change the chance of promotion much- it's about 25%. Should we sacrifice some of the security of the 25% playoff spot chance by playing to win, and giving ourselves a shot of the 100% chance? Of course we should. We have to gamble on Saturday. The response might be, "well, we play to win every game." This is a different "playing to win". Seeing that it has to be 9 points to give us the automatic shot means that we can't approach Saturday like any other away game against a decent team. We should really go for it. Risk losing. Back ourselves that, if we lose, we can still get enough points next week. Push late on, do not settle for a point. It's not Moore's way, and I don't think it will be our way. But, it should be. And I really hope it is.
  12. Does anyone know where to go? At the moment, going to the safety option of Wetherspoons Milton Keynes
  13. Admittedly, the best Wednesday player of this century is not a category with the strongest competition. The list of contenders might be: Barry Bannan Fernando Forrestieri Chris Brunt Lee Bullen Gary Hooper Steven Fletcher Michael Antonio Jose Semedo But, for his dedication, consistency, some beautiful moments of skill, and now it looking like his long spell will indeed last to the end of his career, I think he wins it by a mile.
  14. Agree with the OP that this has happened to our away following, and also wonder why. Its not like the decade after 2000 was full of success, and yet we're saying it has got quieter since then. I think, as always, the overlooked factor will be mobile phones. People can't focus on anything nowadays. No time to sing when you have to check constantly how your accumulator is doing, etc.
  15. If anyone has an adult Doncaster ticket, let me know!
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