Guest Mcguigan Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 46 minutes ago, the monk said: Think he was talking about the stadium they were playing in at the time Are you saying that the teams that have built new stadiums and saw crowds increase sold out their smaller stadiums every week ? No he wasn't, he just gets loads of his "facts" wrong. Roker Park held about 22k in the season he was talking about. The 42k he mentioned was SoL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: As a famous tennis player used to say..'you cannot be serious'..wednesday v burnley on tv..sunday dinner or monday night..34k (thats basically a sell out these days)..we wudnt get near that for a satday 15.00 kick off..imo Well we might, if we sell every home ticket and Burnley bring 6000 fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, PaoloDiCanio12 said: You fail to mention that we were the 6th best supported club in the top flight and that attendance was 10k+ the average in the top flight at the time, getting more fans in than Newcastle Chelsea etc Yup, I get that. The point I was making is we have always had (and always will have) thousands of "Big match attenders" It's also highly unlikely we will ever see crowds like that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 49 minutes ago, the monk said: Think he was talking about the stadium they were playing in at the time Are you saying that the teams that have built new stadiums and saw crowds increase sold out their smaller stadiums every week ? Pretty much or at least 95% full each week. That's why they expanded or moved altogether to get more fans in. They had reached their glass ceiling. We on the other hand struggled to get high 20's averaged despite a 40k+ capacity. Look at Southampton when they moved after selling out the Dell year in year out. Derby after their move.. Attendances were a lot lower during the mid to late nineties compared to know but that's because of a restriction in capacities at certain stadia nothing else. Average PL attendance 18/19 season = 38,168 Average PL attendance 20 years earlier in 98/99 season = 30,587 So an uplift of 7,581. But back then Man U could only get 55k not 75k Liverpool 43k not 54k Arsenal 38k not 60k Newcastle 36k not 52k Spurs 36k not 51k Leicester 20k not 32k Southampton 15k not 31k West Ham 25k not 60k That's 152,000 more seats a fortnight available now than 20 years ago. Our average of 26k back in 98/99 would soon drop down PaoloDiCaneo' s weird calculation/estimated attendance league positions had the available capacity been there for other clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckwheat Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 18 hours ago, theowlsman said: I remember my Dad telling me about the 1960-61 season, finishing 2nd to Spurs when any other season we would have been League Champions with record points. RIP Dad btw. First team to beat Spurs that season in front of 56000. What surprised me was the next two home games had 26/22000 attendances. End of season average 29229. At least we got into Europe which the Blunts have never done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buckwheat said: First team to beat Spurs that season in front of 56000. What surprised me was the next two home games had 26/22000 attendances. End of season average 29229. At least we got into Europe which the Blunts have never done. Something to do with only 3 sides to the ground as building work started on the North 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Bulldog said: Well we might, if we sell every home ticket and Burnley bring 6000 fans If utd can sell 30 k for such a match then so could we 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watto Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 hours ago, PaoloDiCanio12 said: That was a completely different time mate, after 22 years out of the top flight even for games such as Burnley or Fulham on a Tuesday night, I can easily see 31k and 34k for run of the mill games IMO Got to disagree with that as things stand and the prices Chansiri charges. New stadium , new owner definitely . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Watto said: Got to disagree with that as things stand and the prices Chansiri charges. New stadium , new owner definitely . As things stand we would never get 31k for a mid week Premier League game because as things stand we are in League 1. If we did get into the Premier League the momentum and feel good factor we get 31k no problem for mid week games. We took 50k to Wembley (I think) with less than 2 weeks notice so the support is there but need a winning team on the pitch. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, the monk said: If utd can sell 30 k for such a match then so could we IF we ever get back to the PL then maybe. I don't think that's going to happen for a long time so it will be a new generation fanbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the monk Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 51 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: Pretty much or at least 95% full each week. That's why they expanded or moved altogether to get more fans in. They had reached their glass ceiling. We on the other hand struggled to get high 20's averaged despite a 40k+ capacity. Look at Southampton when they moved after selling out the Dell year in year out. Derby after their move.. Attendances were a lot lower during the mid to late nineties compared to know but that's because of a restriction in capacities at certain stadia nothing else. Average PL attendance 18/19 season = 38,168 Average PL attendance 20 years earlier in 98/99 season = 30,587 So an uplift of 7,581. But back then Man U could only get 55k not 75k Liverpool 43k not 54k Arsenal 38k not 60k Newcastle 36k not 52k Spurs 36k not 51k Leicester 20k not 32k Southampton 15k not 31k West Ham 25k not 60k That's 152,000 more seats a fortnight available now than 20 years ago. Our average of 26k back in 98/99 would soon drop down PaoloDiCaneo' s weird calculation/estimated attendance league positions had the available capacity been there for other clubs. 93/94 Newcastle 36k av 33 Arsenal 38k av 30 Villa 40k(?) av 29 City 30-40k av26 Everton 34k av 22 Mighty Blades 30k av19 Chelsea (?) av 19 Norwich 25k av 18 Leeds 39k av 34 Think you are the only bloke who doesn't realise football is a different product and more popular now than back then But I suppose the only way we would find out is if the apperently 2nd biggest club in Sheffield gets its finger out and gets up there! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: As things stand we would never get 31k for a mid week Premier League game because as things stand we are in League 1. If we did get into the Premier League the momentum and feel good factor we get 31k no problem for mid week games. We took 50k to Wembley (I think) with less than 2 weeks notice so the support is there but need a winning team on the pitch. You cant compare a trip to wembley with a midweek televised gane at home to one of the pl no mark outfits..we wudnt get anywhere near 30k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: You cant compare a trip to wembley with a midweek televised gane at home to one of the pl no mark outfits..we wudnt get anywhere near 30k We would get 30,000 because of the demand for season ticket holders at the start of the season. If we sold I think 22,000 season tickets for a Championship season we would probably sell another 5,000 on back on promotion and everyone wanting to be associated with the club again. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloDiCanio12 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 22 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: You cant compare a trip to wembley with a midweek televised gane at home to one of the pl no mark outfits..we wudnt get anywhere near 30k It is 22 years outside of the pl, with new owners better ambition etc etc we would easily get 31k for midweek games and 34k run of the mill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, the monk said: 93/94 Newcastle 36k av 33 Arsenal 38k av 30 Villa 40k(?) av 29 City 30-40k av26 Everton 34k av 22 Mighty Blades 30k av19 Chelsea (?) av 19 Norwich 25k av 18 Leeds 39k av 34 Think you are the only bloke who doesn't realise football is a different product and more popular now than back then But I suppose the only way we would find out is if the apperently 2nd biggest club in Sheffield gets its finger out and gets up there! How do you know it's more popular now? How can you quantify it? Are you telling me that back in 98/99 if Man U had 74k seats available they wouldn't sell them cause it wasn't as popular back then or Liverpool 54k, Newcastle 52k or Arsenal 60k? Is it really more popular to the attending fan or just more available and popular to the armchair fan? 22 years ago, 1998/99 season was the first were the average PL game attendance topped 30k. Most clubs were at 90%+ of capacity and plenty others were complete sell outs every match. Clubs had waiting lists for tickets thousands of fans long. 2,812,320 more fans attended matches in 2018/19 than 1998/99 but there's at least 3,496,000 more seats available in 18/19 than over the 98/99 season now. Look at this way, at the moment your pouring 4 pints of milk into a 4 pint jug, back in 98/99 you were trying to pour 4 pints into a 3 pint jug. Is milk more popular now just because we have the capacity to hold it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloDiCanio12 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 36 minutes ago, the monk said: 93/94 Newcastle 36k av 33 Arsenal 38k av 30 Villa 40k(?) av 29 City 30-40k av26 Everton 34k av 22 Mighty Blades 30k av19 Chelsea (?) av 19 Norwich 25k av 18 Leeds 39k av 34 Think you are the only bloke who doesn't realise football is a different product and more popular now than back then But I suppose the only way we would find out is if the apperently 2nd biggest club in Sheffield gets its finger out and gets up there! Exactly! There is clearly a massive difference on crowds/ attendances in pl, so as I stated the 30k average claim is futile as it was a completely different time, in our glory days the top flight average was 15k, it is now 40k, our attendances was the 4th best in our best days, the 4th best attendance is now 60k, clubs who were claimed as better supported (Leicester etc) can’t even get top 10 attendance, we got slightly better attendances despite being in the mid table or lower for most of our time in the pl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 minute ago, PaoloDiCanio12 said: Exactly! There is clearly a massive difference on crowds/ attendances in pl, so as I stated the 30k average claim is futile as it was a completely different time, in our glory days the top flight average was 15k, it is now 40k, our attendances was the 4th best in our best days, the 4th best attendance is now 60k, clubs who were claimed as better supported (Leicester etc) can’t even get top 10 attendance, we got slightly better attendances despite being in the mid table or lower for most of our time in the pl. You keep losing me at glory days. We've had 4 top 5 finishes in the last 75+ years. That's on a par with Blackburn and Portsmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewings Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 51 minutes ago, the monk said: Mighty Blades 30k av19 Who??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloDiCanio12 Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mcguigan said: You keep losing me at glory days. We've had 4 top 5 finishes in the last 75+ years. That's on a par with Blackburn and Portsmouth. Not the point though is it? We’re talking about attendances at the time we were doing very well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 We have never ever got a big crowd for a run of the mill televised game..didnt we get 16k v leeds a few years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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