bigthinrob Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 On 24/08/2020 at 06:45, mrbluesky said: Here we go (rolls eyes) that was then, this is now Ifs,buts and maybes. But he's right. (regardless of your patronising eye rolling). Whatever our situation is now (and it's nowhere near as dire as the doomsayers make out), it has to be put into direct context with what has gone before. If we'd have been hugely successful every year for the last 30 years & Chansiri had come along and ruined it, you would be one of the first to draw comparisons to what went on prior to him coming. It's not "ifs buts & maybe's", it's the accurate, historical truth of the events in our immediate history & hugely relevant to what is happening now which resulted in the mammoth task in trying to turn us around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: the ludicrous P & S rules imposed by the fv.ckwltted EPL, That rules that we helped produce. 19 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: because of EPL failure payments and the disadvantages that EFL clubs find themselves in The rules that we helped produce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Manwë said: That rules that we helped produce. The rules that we helped produce. Think it was unearthed by someone on here last week that the PL basically held clubs to ransom: solidarity payments are dependent on keeping the parachute payments in their current form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ever the pessimist said: Think it was unearthed by someone on here last week that the PL basically held clubs to ransom: solidarity payments are dependent on keeping the parachute payments in their current form. That's right, and the EFL/Championship clubs can reject such a position. It's so simple, it's a vote. Championship clubs could say "we are not accepting your payments", and it's done. But Championship clubs didn't vote for it, so nothing changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: A long time ago, lots of things have changed since then. The rules didn't change though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Therealrealist Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Are our latest overdue accounts out yet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ever the pessimist Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Manwë said: That's right, and the EFL/Championship clubs can reject such a position. It's so simple, it's a vote. Championship clubs could say "we are not accepting your payments", and it's done. But Championship clubs didn't vote for it, so nothing changes. Something about turkeys and Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 40 minutes ago, Therealrealist said: Are our latest overdue accounts out yet?? I don’t think they’re officially overdue yet due to an extension for everyone re. Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: I don’t think they’re officially overdue yet due to an extension for everyone re. Covid. Yes they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Grandad said: Yes they are I stand corrected. I am a modest and humble man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Grandad said: Yes they are They are overdue but we are working with Companies House as they are acutely aware of the legal issues around this. So there is a little more to it than Yes they are as you well know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I think we can all agree that the FFP / P&S Rules are flawed. It is next to impossible to have watertight financial rules in football as clubs will employ the best lawyers and accountants to find loopholes and ways round them. One of the motivations behind introducing the financial rules was to stop clubs going into administration. HMRC were putting pressure on the football authorities to get their house in order when clubs like Leeds went into Administration owing £6m in tax which had to be written off. Yes parachute payment give clubs an unfair advantage with finances but so does having a rich sugar daddy and no one was moaning about that when we were splashing the cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: They are overdue but we are working with Companies House as they are acutely aware of the legal issues around this. So there is a little more to it than Yes they are as you well know We're working with Companies House?? REALLY?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, soldierboyblue said: They are overdue but we are working with Companies House as they are acutely aware of the legal issues around this. So there is a little more to it than Yes they are as you well know In the last 903 days we've filed one set of accounts at Companies House. You don't 'work with' Companies House. Its merely a repository for your accounts - and if you don't file them when they should be filed they are marked late. Thats it. And right now - ours are overdue. And marked as such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, bigthinrob said: But he's right. (regardless of your patronising eye rolling). Whatever our situation is now (and it's nowhere near as dire as the doomsayers make out), it has to be put into direct context with what has gone before. If we'd have been hugely successful every year for the last 30 years & Chansiri had come along and ruined it, you would be one of the first to draw comparisons to what went on prior to him coming. It's not "ifs buts & maybe's", it's the accurate, historical truth of the events in our immediate history & hugely relevant to what is happening now which resulted in the mammoth task in trying to turn us around. I`m a pragmatic kinda guy x -12 and a chairman that's not learning (and still not). I deal with facts. (Rolls eyes, again) I`ll put you with Daveyboy, in the Ifs, buts and maybes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe P. Coltrane Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, sonofbert2 said: I don’t think they’re officially overdue yet due to an extension for everyone re. Covid. Bee Smith Sexy avatar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofbert2 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Roscoe P. Coltrane said: Bee Smith Sexy avatar I actually met this lady.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Just now, The_Limit_Owl said: How is he not learning? The coaching staff and players signed recently suggest he has. Look we ain't all got time machines, mistakes have been made, we all know that, IMO good intentions were behind them, but we move on, we chill out and we get behind em, all this pls.sin 'n moanin about things that have happened in the past is just gonna eat you up, gets you nowhere. It's Big Bob and Dave that's living in the past, not me. Monk wanted them in (obvs), Birmingham wouldn`t release them, not Mr C`s choice, the managers choice. We are signing these players because of the financial constraints on the club and not because we have `as a club` decided to go this route, (forced if you like) , I poo you not, if Mr. C could spend , he would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow_Blu Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 Cushty..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mrbluesky Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, The_Limit_Owl said: Oh I get that, so he's learnt then clearly? He knows a different approach is needed, he could go shizzle or bust and "do" a Wolves but he's been stung by FFP and knows that's a folly approach unless you've got s superstar manager at the helm. I do honestly believe the general ethos is changing to a, dare I say it, more professional outlook, sign players not only on their ability now but have one eye on future resale value, and even if we got to the Prem, I'd hope that ethos continued. I'm actually liking the noises coming out of the club and I'm looking forward to next season, mainly because I can enjoy a few sherberts while watching EVERY game....what's not to like! He clearly hasn’t if you are forced. On the rest, time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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