theowlsman Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: The club as a whole, and many of the supporters. We have some decent individual players, but that's not enough to get us out of this division: we need a plan; a structure; a culture, for want of a better word. We seem to be taking the Sunderland approach of thinking we're too big and too good for this league, and whilst ever that persists, we'll struggle to get promoted. Bannan talking of winning promotion is all well and good, but what substance is behind it? What planning have we done? What structures are in place? What work had gone in to making that a reality? Because as far as I can see, we're hoping that being Sheffield Wednesday and having Barry Bannan in our team will be enough. Been far too blasé 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, theowlsman said: Today's line up. Bannan at left sided centre back. DM strikes again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: The club as a whole, and many of the supporters. We have some decent individual players, but that's not enough to get us out of this division: we need a plan; a structure; a culture, for want of a better word. We seem to be taking the Sunderland approach of thinking we're too big and too good for this league, and whilst ever that persists, we'll struggle to get promoted. Bannan talking of winning promotion is all well and good, but what substance is behind it? What planning have we done? What structures are in place? What work had gone in to making that a reality? Because as far as I can see, we're hoping that being Sheffield Wednesday and having Barry Bannan in our team will be enough. BB might be,with DM with him based on BB taking all set pieces,corners and having so much of the ball,and i agree BB new contract would tend to imply 'The Club'(Chansiri?) agree with you,but i hardly think the majority opinion of Owlstalk is so...... Like i said a simple comparison to other local Clubs & the fact that they have left this Division,some on ore than one occasion,with a much limited budget& resources should be our aim,not the two thirds historically who havnt. Its been clear to most who have critiqued our manager & 'style'? of play where the issues for our poor performances lay.., To everyone it seems bar our manager..... My summary of where our failure lay..... Overestimating opponents and setting up to combat their 'strenths' not our own. Insisting on 'playing it out' from the back.....silly football snobbery Picking players & playing them out of position. Not playing loan players at all,or often enough Initially playing with a lone striker Anyone care to disagree?..Its not the Division & its 'teams' that are hard to beat and get out of...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, parajack said: BB might be,with DM with him based on BB taking all set pieces,corners and having so much of the ball,and i agree BB new contract would tend to imply 'The Club'(Chansiri?) agree with you,but i hardly think the majority opinion of Owlstalk is so...... Like i said a simple comparison to other local Clubs & the fact that they have left this Division,some on ore than one occasion,with a much limited budget& resources should be our aim,not the two thirds historically who havnt. Its been clear to most who have critiqued our manager & 'style'? of play where the issues for our poor performances lay.., To everyone it seems bar our manager..... My summary of where our failure lay..... Overestimating opponents and setting up to combat their 'strenths' not our own. Insisting on 'playing it out' from the back.....silly football snobbery Picking players & playing them out of position. Not playing loan players at all,or often enough Initially playing with a lone striker Anyone care to disagree?..Its not the Division & its 'teams' that are hard to beat and get out of...... I do disagree, and see it almost entirely from the opposite perspective, really. I honestly believe that many of those things you've listed are a symptom of us underestimating our opponents and thinking that we can play out from the back, play players out of position, and basically get away with only half a plan. In reality, we can't. There are plenty of well-drilled, savvy teams at this level who have it in then to make any game a real battle if given half a chance. And until that sinks in at all levels of our club, we'll remain in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, theowlsman said: Been far too blasé Exactly. Until we start to properly respect the division we're in, we'll stay in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tewkesbury Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: I do disagree, and see it almost entirely from the opposite perspective, really. I honestly believe that many of those things you've listed are a symptom of us underestimating our opponents and thinking that we can play out from the back, play players out of position, and basically get away with only half a plan. In reality, we can't. There are plenty of well-drilled, savvy teams at this level who have it in then to make any game a real battle if given half a chance. And until that sinks in at all levels of our club, we'll remain in League One. We're playing out from the back and tapping it about because we don't have a choice. Our strikers have been useless at hold up play all season and go for games at a time without winning an offensive header. It's not that we're too good to play direct, it's that we're not good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 You've got this all wrong guys. Wasn't a pre-match presser. BB genuinely believed he'd been called in to give his Christmas list for Santa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 3-0 up and we let Accrington back into it. Why? Because we're too bloody complacent and we're underestimating this division. We thought the job was done when it was anything but. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted November 20, 2021 Share Posted November 20, 2021 Bannan is 100% correct in what he's saying Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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