Summer Sort Out

[james o connor]

4 minutes ago, jonesy87shef said:

 

Whilst I agree with you to a point. 31 is nothing. Plenty of older strikers in this league doing the business. 

 

If and it’s a HUGE if he can get fit and prove it, his style of play would allow him to play until his late 30’s. First yard in his head. 

 

Personally I do think he will be released and should be as I don’t think he will get fit and stay that way. But writing off a 31 year old with his attributes I strongly disagree with.

 

I seriously hope he proves us wrong because there is undoubted quality there. 

Writing off a 31 year old with a career full of injuries who hasn’t played for 15 months isn’t even a discussion , it’s a cert. 

 

as much as i hate to admit it the reason the pigs are doing so much better than us (bar the fact they have been run correctly in the last 3 years) is there players actually play . I hate billy sharp with a passion but he’s always fit and he always scores goals. We are banging on about hooper constantly , yet he’s been fit less than half the time he’s been with us . Poor value for money 

 

the obsessing about what could have been needs to stop. We need rid of all the crocked deadwood and recruit sensibly like other teams (pigs / Huddersfield) have done in recent years 

[jonesy87shef]

9 minutes ago, james o connor said:

Writing off a 31 year old with a career full of injuries who hasn’t played for 15 months isn’t even a discussion , it’s a cert. 

 

as much as i hate to admit it the reason the pigs are doing so much better than us (bar the fact they have been run correctly in the last 3 years) is there players actually play . I hate billy sharp with a passion but he’s always fit and he always scores goals. We are banging on about hooper constantly , yet he’s been fit less than half the time he’s been with us . Poor value for money 

 

the obsessing about what could have been needs to stop. We need rid of all the crocked deadwood and recruit sensibly like other teams (pigs / Huddersfield) have done in recent years 

 

I agree he should go.

 

I’m just disagreeing that a player at his age, with his track record can’t cone back at play to a similar standard. 

 

It can be done. Some retire early. Some come back, some drop down the leagues.

 

An example I can think of (just double checked) is Glenn Murray. Now 35 starting and scoring in the premier league. Suffered a cruciate ligament injury at the same age Hoopers injury problems started. Missed a season. It’s a horrific injury to come back from too, but it’s doable. Shearer and Van Nistelrooy are higher profile examples of serious injuries missing at least a season (admittedly they were younger). Hutchinson for us too, however I know you strongly think we should get rid. 

 

For balance, a few high profile players I can think of who retired early through injury are Seth Johnson, Dean Ashton, Michael Johnson and our own Neil Mellor.

 

My point is its most definitely not a cert. Unlikely yes. A cert is either being ridiculous or over dramatic. 

[Buddy Repperton]

47 minutes ago, jonesy87shef said:

 

Oh come off it. Outstanding? Not exaggerating.

 

I’m gonna be of his biggest critics and have been able to offer proof and back up why. Those that defend him never to the facts I’ve presented in the past.

 

I will say however he’s looked much better recently. If he keeps up this form I’d have no qualms him finishing the season in this position. Looks a championship quality right back, which imo he hasn’t in several years. The chavcevge creates for Reach last minute vs Reading was fantastic. I can’t thiink of him making a great run behind a full back, bursting into the box, getting his head up and finding a man hardly ever. I’d love video evidence of him doing this even 5-10 times his whole career for us. They system we play our full backs should do this weekly. 

 

Also lets not throw him off because he got player of the year 5 odd years ago. That season he wasn’t exactly impressive, or even best of a bad bunch. We were made up of mostly loans and players not playing often. Fans were much more complimentary and lenient because he was a young lad playing an alien position. That’s why he got player of the season. Not because he was excellent.

 

As for a new deal, several games ago I would have said not a chance. Now I don’t know. He’s ok back up. By that I mean League 1, very lower end champ. Get we get better or on par for the same cost. I’m not sure. 

I'm not fooled by his sudden improvement either tbh.

Another Nuhiu, playing for contract or because of new additions, either way he'll soon return to the walking footballer he was before. Just not good enough for top six ambitions, ex player-of-the-season or not.

Yes he's been better recently but he's too limited.

[EssexOwl]

10 hours ago, gurujuan said:

Yes I’d like us to keep Westwood and Palmer May also consider Matias, if we aren’t able to bring in any attacking pace. Not sure Chelsea would want to loan us Hector in the last year of his contract. We’d likely have to sell, and then try and buy him. I’d love both him and Onomah back here next season

Ah, didn’t realise Hector had a year left on his contract. 

[S72 Owl]

8 hours ago, Beauchief Owl said:

You're suggesting that we sign seven players whilst releasing five, thus making our squad bigger. SB has already said he wants it to be significantly smaller. Another problem might revolve around our ability to sign players under FFP rules. I know you suggest selling a few but that will not be easy as  those you highlight would not command high fees (Fox might be out of contract anyway) but  I can't see who would want them as wages might be a problem for the standard of team likely to be interested.

Obviously I’d only sign players if we were able to sell most of the ones suggested. Plus the loan players we’ve got, then that’s 15 out 7 in.

[gurujuan]

4 hours ago, Neon Nick said:

gurujaun, I like your posts, you make many good points, and I learn a lot from them...but...both Penney and Thorniley are worth more game time, I know, Penney is rather seriously injured, a shame, because he looked so good on the left wing, he didn't pass it downfield, he ran it downfield, fast, and nobody could stop him.  Baker is worth a further look, yes, we already have two qualified RB's, in Palmer & Iorfa, and Iorfa is signed, I think.  So why keep Baker?  Because somebody's going to have to replace Palmer, or Iorfa, maybe not next year, or the next.  Baker with the right coaching could be a great RB/WB.  As it stands, looks like Iorfa is going to have to de-throne Palmer, and he may well, then Baker can be the sub.  I don't know, maybe Iorfa will mentor Baker.

 

Borukov.  Seems to me the natural replacement for the Nuhiu Out proponents, he's certainly more agile, 6'3" and 200+(?) pounds, scores a lot, loves the lone-frontman role, and can head a cross, even a lousy one, into the back of the net, he doesn't give the ball away, and he's not afraid of any opposition.  Preston?  Kirby?  

 

Your thoughts, please.

Well I had discounted Thorniley and Penney from the conversation, as they are very much part of the first team set up, and have not been regulars with the U23s for a while. Similarly Baker has continued to be part of the first team picture. In fact, in another thread, I suggested we might look at Baker in a midfield role in the remaining development games. By all accounts the progress of Kirby, Preston and Borukov has stalled, so their future is a little more unclear Not sure, but I believe Kirby might have another year on his deal