owls101 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Does anyone know the circumstances around this as it’s a bit before my time. I assume this was contrversial at the time as he a Sheffielder and former player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senwar Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 It was primarily down to the fact we wouldn't stump up cash for players and didn't match his ambitions. Leeds would. That's the long and short of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musingowl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Given the funds to win the title at Leeds I would assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls101 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 That old chestnut. What was the fallout? Was he villified? Do you think he would have won the title with Wednesday if given the funds? Seems like a big mistake leting him go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincolnowl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I think a healthy proportion, including Howard himself, had had enough by the time of his move. I don't there was any great upset, though that might be my mind playing tricks. Hw was great for us, but once he tried to change the football he lost his way. Whatever money he did have he didn't do well with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluezer Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 We also gave permission for L**ds to talk to him about the job instead of telling them to do one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Given the funds to win the title at Leeds I would assume. Thats a big assumtion, bearing in mind they were 18th in the old second division when he left a first division Wednesday to go there. That's one ambitious business plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornebranch Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I think it was something to do with the youth set up leeds were prepared to let him do it Wednesday weren't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunsbyowl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Does anyone know the circumstances around this as it’s a bit before my time. I assume this was contrversial at the time as he a Sheffielder and former player. I think the headline was something like Wednesday Manager not sacked - Shock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I think it was something to do with the youth set up leeds were prepared to let him do it Wednesday weren't This is correct, Wilko totally dismantled old the youth team and replaced it with there academy system. He was very forward thinking about developing the youth production lines. Batty Speed Kelly Harte Kewell Mcphail Smith Robinson Woodgate Carson Milner Lennon All academy graduates who went on to play for their national teams. We have alot to thank Wilko for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Thats a big assumtion, bearing in mind they were 18th in the old second division when he left a first division Wednesday to go there. That's one ambitious business plan. But it was. Look at the team that won the title for Leeds...all Wilkinson signings bar Batty and Speed who had come up from the youth team. He made some big money signings (Lukic, Dorigo, Mcallister, Wallace all 1 million plus) along with Hodge and Cantona just under a mill and some very astute signings Chapman, Sterland, Strachan etc. Had our board shown anything like that sort of ambition he would probably have stayed and may have won the title for us instead of Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 As mentioned by other posters he was not given the financial backing of the board and the team started to go stale. Some fans blamed Wilkinson others the board and Bert Mcgee. One such example was when we nearly signed Mark Wright from Southampton. We had agreed a fee of 750,00 but he turned us down at the last minute claiming he did not want to move up north. He then signed for Derby for 760,000! I assume he had been offered bigger wages to play for Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I can remember people at School being glad he left. Things had gone a bit stale at Wednesday for him (with hindsight probably due to lack of funds) and when Leeds came knocking I do not think many people were upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
York_Owl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I think a healthy proportion, including Howard himself, had had enough by the time of his move. I don't there was any great upset, though that might be my mind playing tricks. Hw was great for us, but once he tried to change the football he lost his way. Whatever money he did have he didn't do well with. Can't agree with the "Whatever money he did have he didn't do well with" bit. He signed Hirst, Pearson, Worthington, Marwood, Chapman, Martin Hodge, Siggi Jonsson all for next to nowt. OK he signed some duffers as well (Colin West, Larry May and Ian Cranson come to mind) but given the budget he had to work with that was hardly surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Can't agree with the "Whatever money he did have he didn't do well with" bit. He signed Hirst, Pearson, Worthington, Marwood, Chapman, Martin Hodge, Siggi Jonsson all for next to nowt. OK he signed some duffers as well (Colin West, Larry May and Ian Cranson come to mind) but given the budget he had to work with that was hardly surprising The general opinion of Howard Wilkinson is a lot higher now then is was when he left, me included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumboldowl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 But it was. Look at the team that won the title for Leeds...all Wilkinson signings bar Batty and Speed who had come up from the youth team. He made some big money signings (Lukic, Dorigo, Mcallister, Wallace all 1 million plus) along with Hodge and Cantona just under a mill and some very astute signings Chapman, Sterland, Strachan etc. Had our board shown anything like that sort of ambition he would probably have stayed and may have won the title for us instead of Leeds. Totally agree with you. Leeds were crap at that time in the second division and we were about third in the first. A typical lack of ambition by the Wednesday board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumboldowl Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 I can remember people at School being glad he left. Things had gone a bit stale at Wednesday for him (with hindsight probably due to lack of funds) and when Leeds came knocking I do not think many people were upset. People at school may not have been upset, but I can assure you that a great many mature Owls supporters were very upset. Me included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owls101 Posted October 16, 2012 Author Share Posted October 16, 2012 Sounds like another classic example of us shooting ourselves in the foot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Totally agree with you. Leeds were crap at that time in the second division and we were about third in the first. A typical lack of ambition by the Wednesday board. It must have been some major sell by the then Leeds board, to convince him to come to Leeds, who at the time where in serious trouble of being in a relegation dogfight, rather than stay with Wednesday who, as you say, were top 5 in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
just visiting Posted October 16, 2012 Share Posted October 16, 2012 Strange now then that another born and bred Sheffielder is at the helm, in a similar position to that of when Wilko took over. History repeating itself??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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