PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 why should a player have to announce it? Why would anybody want to pretend there isn't a cultural barrier to doing so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 ..why should a player have to hide his sexuality? This isn't about sexuality but the notion of literally 'coming out'. Is it a press release? A paragraph in the matchday programme? What if the player has a drink after the game in the players lounge and introduces his boyfriend? Is that coming out or not hiding his sexuality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 why should a player have to announce it? most pro players will tell you they know several gay footballers they dont feel they have to wear their sexuality as a badge though At odds with the actual professional footballer Darren Purse's opinion, with nobody else actually willing to have an opinion at all. Maybe he should change his name to Darren Wallet or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) This isn't about sexuality but the notion of literally 'coming out'. Is it a press release? A paragraph in the matchday programme? What if the player has a drink after the game in the players lounge and introduces his boyfriend? Is that coming out or not hiding his sexuality. ...and there we have the problem...semantics. But the reality is whatever it is called, the open affection shown between two men, if it were a footballer, would be pounced on by press and media as being 'coming out' and it being reduced to that will open up the possibility of hatred and abuse. And the fear of that 'exposure' is why some people hide their sexuality. Continuous 'banter' becomes incessant bullying. And Deirdre, I understand what you're saying but I think in certain circumstances there are people who find it far more difficult to 'just get on with it' .....* excellent phrase bye the bye ..* Edited May 20, 2012 by Freshfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 why should a player have to announce it? most pro players will tell you they know several gay footballers they dont feel they have to wear their sexuality as a badge though Maybe it's not the player's reactions they're concerned about? I suspect you're right that many players do know colleagues that are gay and aren't bothered about it. It would be interesting to see how the press and supporters would deal with it though. And I guess that's where the biggest problem would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 one of my very best freinds is a lesbian I go out with her and her partner every weekend, they kiss and hold hands like us straight couples do no one gives a flip she doesnt feel the need to announce she is a lesbian, just the same as I dont need to announce I am straight No, because the opposition to it in general is far less than it was, whereas I don't think that exists within football. The plural of ancedote is not fact, and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 seriously I give up loads of straight people wanting gays to announce they are gay while all the gays just get on with enjoying some wee wee tail If that's actually what you take from 'Because they want and are able to without fear of abuse or reprisal' as the thing being said then you haven't understood. Obtuseness is SO zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Here we go Here we go Here We GO. Up the pipe's what he likes we all know. Hillsborough roars when he scores goals for fun. Later on heeee'll have a bum. Oink Oink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 ...and there we have the problem...semantics. But the reality is whatever it is called, the open affection shown between two men, if it were a footballer, would be pounced on by press and media as being 'coming out' and it being reduced to that will open up the possibility of hatred and abuse. And the fear of that 'exposure' is why some people hide their sexuality. Continuous 'banter' becomes incessant bullying. Which makes me wonder sometimes at the motivations gay people are influenced by when 'coming out' Not all gay people are repressed individuals at odds with their sexuality constantly listening to Diana Ross's 'I'm Coming Out'. Some are just private. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler5 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 This isn't about announcing it and wanting to share it with the world, coming out can simply be just showing affection with their partner in public and not having to pretend they're something they're not. Just being able to do what normal couples do in public, footballers obviously feel they can't do this and so just have to hide, fair enough if they want to keep their lives private, it's up to them. But what if someone actually wants to come out but feels they can't because of the terraces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlsMan1961 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 When I was younger the word homophobia did not exist, it was certainly not a word people bandied around, in 30 years time some of you younger ones may have to put up with such things as strange as piggyphobia or bluntist because this is how things are being dealt with in the 21st century ....... beware of what you wish for I say. The compensation culture has accelerated these things and insults of any kind may become a no-no in the future ...... imagine not being able to chant 'dirty red and white so & so's' because it has become unacceptable, internet forums and media in general is under the scrutiny of those who wish to tell us what is and is not acceptable ....... just a thought ! I'm not condoning fascism, violence or bullying but having reached my early 50s I see much hype and exaggeration that now surrounds all things 'ism' and 'phobic' and find it a bit weird ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 This isn't about announcing it and wanting to share it with the world, coming out can simply be just showing affection with their partner in public and not having to pretend they're something they're not. Just being able to do what normal couples do in public, footballers obviously feel they can't do this and so just have to hide, fair enough if they want to keep their lives private, it's up to them. But what if someone actually wants to come out but feels they can't because of the terraces. That doesn't happen. I know this because I know an actual real gay person and they're fine. They're not a footballer or anything, so it's not a relevant point in any way, but it's still apparently a crushing point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I have a thousand gay friends and all of them disagree with you. Piece of wee wee, this arguing lark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freshfish Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 (edited) Which makes me wonder sometimes at the motivations gay people are influenced by when 'coming out' Not all gay people are repressed individuals at odds with their sexuality constantly listening to Diana Ross's 'I'm Coming Out'. Some are just private. ...and many are forced into privacy through fear...this isn't about being demonstrative it's about the fear of being targeted if they make any show of affection. We can carry on going round in circles...but the fact is, being open about your sexuality, even with just holding hands, leaves footballers/lawyers/teachers/binmen..(..aye I know..)/bus drivers open to threats and abuse couched in the comfort of it being just 'banter' Edited May 20, 2012 by Freshfish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owler5 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 ...and many are forced into privacy through fear...this isn't about being demonstrative it's about the fear of being targeted if they make any show of affection. We can carry on going round in circles...but the fact is, being open about your sexuality, even with just holding hands, leaves footballers/lawyers/teachers/binmen..(..aye I know..)/bus drivers open to threats and abuse couched in the comfort of it being just 'banter' This is what I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 you are quite cleary gay so do you need to annouce your sexuality? or are you just happy to get on with it? and be yourself? Your Gaydar, ironically, is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I think the first people Elton John came out to was the Watford squad in the dressing room before a game. They just shrugged... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 so you're a straight being offended on behalf of gay people? (who ironically dont give a shÃt) I rest my case I'm not being offended on behalf of anybody, because I'm not offended. Somewhere a straw man is devastated by your argument, but you haven't answered mine. In fact you've ignored every single point I've made. As I said before, obtuseness (and that might be generous) is so very zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 and you reckon they didnt koow beforehand? Elton john has got to be one of the gayest people on the planet So why did he feel the need to come out then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 haha ha ha ha we have a winner http://www.urbandict...o-intellectuals So, you've moved on from anecdotal evidence to... urban dictionary? That's your idea of a devastating parting shot, is it? If that's your impression of reading the thread, that the whole point of what I've said is to prove some intellectual superiority over you, then I am genuinely baffled by your powers of inference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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