Guest RocketOwl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 hours ago, robswfc said: Let's mix it up a bit: ..........................Westwood Hunt.............Lees.............Van Aken.............Pudil Lee..............Butterfield..........Bannan...........Reach .......................Joao..............Hooper Have you been going to do your badges with Carlos? Clean sheet so take half the defence out? I like the Joao for fairy change though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Holmowl said: What makes you say that? Results over the reign of Carlos suggest the opposite. I think Lee and Bannan works very well depending on the opposition. They were immense few seasons ago when we beat Forest 3-0 away. They can certainly play together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: I think Lee and Bannan works very well depending on the opposition. They were immense few seasons ago when we beat Forest 3-0 away. They can certainly play together. Sheridan and Palmer were immense but that was also in the past. Bannan and Lee will not get us promotion. They are far too lightweight and offer little physical presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 hours ago, robswfc said: Let's mix it up a bit: ..........................Westwood Hunt.............Lees.............Van Aken.............Pudil Lee..............Butterfield..........Bannan...........Reach .......................Joao..............Hooper Van Aken that must be a joke, loovens every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Ronnie Starling said: Sheridan and Palmer were immense but that was also in the past. Bannan and Lee will not get us promotion. They are far too lightweight and offer little physical presence. What do you think about Rhodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, robswfc said: Let's mix it up a bit: ..........................Westwood Hunt.............Lees.............Van Aken.............Pudil Lee..............Butterfield..........Bannan...........Reach .......................Joao..............Hooper FWIW I like your team personally think we are crying out for Pudil in place of Fox. I would stick with Wallace to start the game as Wallace was the only one to shoot on Saturday and one of his shots would have troubled their keeper had it not been deflected by their defender and then given as a silly goal kick, think Lee could be used later as sub no need to rush him back. Would start Fletch with Rhodes and Joao as bring on subs when or if needed. Edited November 20, 2017 by Copthorneowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: What do you think about Rhodes? We dont have the players suited to Rhodes style of play. He has gone from a striker that scored goals for fun to looking like someone that won a competition to play for the first team. Him and Hooper didnt link up well at all on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RocketOwl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Ronnie Starling said: We dont have the players suited to Rhodes style of play. He has gone from a striker that scored goals for fun to looking like someone that won a competition to play for the first team. Him and Hooper didnt link up well at all on Saturday. We don't have the players to suit him? The same players who have finished in the playoffs for the past two seasons? Whose fault was his latest sitter missed? Hooper excellent header to him and then what follows is not a shot I expect from someone who cost us 10m. Perhaps people need to realise we are playing to Rhodes strengths and that's why we are boring. Our midfield has vision and they. We'd a striker who is mobile, strong and direct. For me it's Rhodes making our midfield look poor rather than the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, akbuk said: Van Aken that must be a joke, loovens every time Its not a joke imo we need defenders to bring the ball out in a northerly direction and find forward players not slowly play back sideways and to our keeper. Loovens is and has been a good defender but he along with Lees is the root cause of our inability to move quickly from defence to attack. We have to stop the situation of Bannan dropping back to take the ball off their toes because they will not bring it out themselves. I know this scenario is not popular but we've got to move on and play more offensively and that starts at the back the way Tom and Glen play between each other is the root cause of why our build up is so negative. I know people don't like this view but imo it's crucial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, RocketOwl said: We don't have the players to suit him? The same players who have finished in the playoffs for the past two seasons? Whose fault was his latest sitter missed? Hooper excellent header to him and then what follows is not a shot I expect from someone who cost us 10m. Perhaps people need to realise we are playing to Rhodes strengths and that's why we are boring. Our midfield has vision and they. We'd a striker who is mobile, strong and direct. For me it's Rhodes making our midfield look poor rather than the other way around. Fletcher had missed plenty of sitters in his games up to Rhodes coming in as did Forestieri before he was injured. Rhodes was at his best when he had a winger putting the ball into the box. Our midfield is poor. The wide players rarely attack the flanks. The central players struggle to tackle and don't get me started on aerial battles. All round it isn't anywhere near good enough to get us promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymae's Dad Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 my mate is a Tractor Boy, might be best leaving my phone turned off.............. But then again.......Aston Villa away, my god we're chalk n cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Its not a joke imo we need defenders to bring the ball out in a northerly direction and find forward players not slowly play back sideways and to our keeper. Loovens is and has been a good defender but he along with Lees is the root cause of our inability to move quickly from defence to attack. We have to stop the situation of Bannan dropping back to take the ball off their toes because they will not bring it out themselves. I know this scenario is not popular but we've got to move on and play more offensively and that starts at the back the way Tom and Glen play between each other is the root cause of why our build up is so negative. I know people don't like this view but imo it's crucial. Exactly. When Van Aken came in his strength was the speed of getting the ball into advanced positions before opponents had set themselves up. Now we go backwards and sideways and its so easy to defend against. Van Aken has weaknesses that surely the coaching staff are working to improve? Aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Copthorneowl Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Ronnie Starling said: Exactly. When Van Aken came in his strength was the speed of getting the ball into advanced positions before opponents had set themselves up. Now we go backwards and sideways and its so easy to defend against. Van Aken has weaknesses that surely the coaching staff are working to improve? Aren't they? 100% agree mate and that's my point. People think I have it in for Loovens couldn't be more wrong he's a good defender but we have to move on because as Lees is just a similar younger version we are stymied by slow deliberate play from the back. I understand the Van Acken critics but I believe we have to persevere with him for the greater good but many will disagree fair enough but as we are it won't work ..ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Westwood Hunt Lees Loovens Fox Butterfield Lee Bannan Reach Wickham Wallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Starling Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: 100% agree mate and that's my point. People think I have it in for Loovens couldn't be more wrong he's a good defender but we have to move on because as Lees is just a similar younger version we are stymied by slow deliberate play from the back. I understand the Van Acken critics but I believe we have to persevere with him for the greater good but many will disagree fair enough but as we are it won't work ..ever. the timing of Van Akens signing was poor. He should have been brought in in July and bedded in rather than thrust into the Championship. A young kid, new job, new city, new country, away from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akbuk Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 29 minutes ago, Copthorneowl said: Its not a joke imo we need defenders to bring the ball out in a northerly direction and find forward players not slowly play back sideways and to our keeper. Loovens is and has been a good defender but he along with Lees is the root cause of our inability to move quickly from defence to attack. We have to stop the situation of Bannan dropping back to take the ball off their toes because they will not bring it out themselves. I know this scenario is not popular but we've got to move on and play more offensively and that starts at the back the way Tom and Glen play between each other is the root cause of why our build up is so negative. I know people don't like this view but imo it's crucial. Lees and Loovens = Clean sheets Van Aken =mistakes he needs to learn his trade in this league and be played off the bench until he is ready Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 11 hours ago, robswfc said: Just think playing Rhodes or Fletch will play into Ipswich's hands and we desperately need some pace in the side. Joao's looked like he has some confidence recently The only trouble is that we haven't got any pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlsdreamer Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 hours ago, Lord Snooty said: Westwood Hunt Lees Loovens Fox Butterfield Lee Bannan Reach Wickham Wallace Did I miss something.? Wickham? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzlebeak Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, owlsdreamer said: Did I miss something.? Wickham? Snooty is on the Sherry early today 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 27 minutes ago, Frazzlebeak said: Snooty is on the Sherry early today Just lost myself for a moment...thinking how we could have signed one striker to fit the team blueprint instead of 4 that nearly do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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