Ronio Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Individual stats almost never tell the full story. In this case, I think Lee's been pulled down dramatically by him being involved in a particularly bad spell when he first came back from injury. He struggled to find form, which was probably while he gained fitness. I personally think they're a point of interest and can serve to stimulate discussion, but that's about it really. I certainly don't intend to "prove" anything, as others have suggested. Can't disagree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedor Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Sorry Fedor, I accidentally negged you when I went to look who'd negged you. Not that I could've guessed. I think I removed it, but can't tell?!?! I is no good on these computermibobs?! Are you and Ian the same person? Yes we are a double headed Troll aparrently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedor Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Shouldn't this thread be titled Our most effective x1 (according to science fiction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Damn it! That's a good one. I should've thunk of that. The "science" reference is definitely tongue in cheek. It's not exactly fiction either to be fair though. I levelled up the neg on a different post btw X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Surely all this is only valid when we have played every team twice through a season, also you have not (as far as i can see) taking into account the form of the opposition. The fact that you have rated each game on your opinion of how we should have done agains them undermines all the good work put into this. Also you have a points based sytem only based on Goals for and Against, but lets say for example Semedo, He is never going to score loads, and maybe cannot have affected the majority of the goals conceded, thus this stat for him is useless. A fair more realavent stat for Semedo (again this is just and example) is tackles won and lost, interceptions and forward passes that let to chances. Thats my thought anyway, Other than that i think this is a decent peice of work and definately worth revisiting at the end of the season. A midfielder, like Semedo, can and should affect the result, including both goals scored and conceded. He might not score or even assist directly, but he might win the ball in the first place. He might not clear the ball off the line or save the penalty, but intercepting a pass that could've ended up with a clear cut chance might be just as significant. Every player has a part to play, which is the whole point really. They're all responsible for our results, whether negative or positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DobbinTheDonkey Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Is the spreadsheet is based on league positions now and not at the of playing, or form of the teams at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Good work, however, I'd disagree with your weightings assuming -8 means a very bad result? What are your thoughts? I'd be happy to change the weightings and show how that affects it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Toni Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I love a good spreadsheet George and stats over time don't lie. There are people employed at football clubs whose primary job is to evaluate stats and report those to the coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Is the spreadsheet is based on league positions now and not at the of playing, or form of the teams at the time?Pretty much. Although I have tried to take some of that into account wherever I can remember how the team were doing at the time. I probably needed to be doing it from the start of the season really. I love a good spreadsheet George and stats over time don't lie. There are people employed at football clubs whose primary job is to evaluate stats and report those to the coaching staff.Reyt job! Edited February 27, 2015 by George Whitebread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 When you say science, you actually mean something that's totally random that you've just made up. Cool though. It's not totally random or made up. It's not really science either though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 George, you've managed to leave out of our "most effective XI", our top league goal scorer. A player who by your own (flawed) system, has started in our 5 best results of the season. Scoring in 3 of them and assisting in the other 2. Why is this? It appears to me we'd be a hell of a lot worse off without this man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 When he scores, we win. Fact. Why do you think this might be? Is it... (a) he's got magical powers and can cast a spell to stop the opposition from equalising after he's scored. (b) most of his goals have come against the bottom 3, so we should be beating them anyway. © pure coincidence (d) you tell me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Why do you think this might be? Is it... (a) he's got magical powers and can cast a spell to stop the opposition from equalising after he's scored. (b) most of his goals have come against the bottom 3, so we should be beating them anyway. © pure coincidence (d) you tell me It's c George. Like when we win a game and Nuhiu happens to be in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatpusher Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Great read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 George, you've managed to leave out of our "most effective XI", our top league goal scorer. A player who by your own (flawed) system, has started in our 5 best results of the season. Scoring in 3 of them and assisting in the other 2. Why is this? It appears to me we'd be a hell of a lot worse off without this man. Fair enough, but it's balanced up by the fact that he also featured in our heaviest defeats. I opted for Keane because we have scored over a third more goals per game while Keane has been starting. That has coincided with McGugan's return though. So perhaps I should've discounted that. Keane has scored 1 in 3.5 while May has scored 1 in 4 though. Again, with one of Keane's goals being a penalty that May would probably have scored, maybe I should've discounted that too. Maybe I didn't look any further into tjat because I think (entirely subjectively) that Keane's looked more effective that May in the games I've seen him. I take your point anyway. Happy to include him. I don't think that selecting Keane for the reasons that I've just outlined makes me "pathetic" though. I genuinely wasn't aimimg to have a dig at May at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 It's c George. Like when we win a game and Nuhiu happens to be in the team. Really? So you're saying that our results are not affected by the players that are in the team? Who are they affected by then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannofan Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 I've watched us without Nuhui in the side, and the other players look lost without him. Big Atty fan here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Really? So you're saying that our results are not affected by the players that are in the team? Who are they affected by then? Not necessarily when it comes to individual players. Football is a very a complex game. That's why statistical analysis should be seen as just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Not necessarily when it comes to individual players. Football is a very a complex game. That's why statistical analysis should be seen as just that. All players have an effect. Even if it's just in keeping another player outnof the team. I'm not trying to prove anything particularly. Just show what it looks like out of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IstillhateSteveBould Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 All players have an effect. Even if it's just in keeping another player outnof the team. I'm not trying to prove anything particularly. Just show what it looks like out of interest. Fair enough. The inclusion of a player with 7 starts to his name, only one of which we won, in a 30 plus game season so far, is baffling to say the least. Just seems like another attempt to discredit a player that, as you've proven in the past, you have a real problem with. Deep down you know as well as me we've looked at our best as a team, with may and Nuhiu up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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