Guest wilyfox Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I remember seeing a goal scored by Real Madrid once where Ronaldo was off the pitch at the time, behind the goal, the ball was played in behind for another player to run on to. Ronaldo got involved by running inside and he put it in the goal when it got squared to him Guess what? He wasnt offside. You can't be flagged offside if you're not on the field of play when the ball is played. That example is not remotely similar to this incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 You might want to double check that again wily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Snooty Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I thought (though prepare to stand corrected) that it was a booking for leaving & entering the field of play without permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 You might want to double check that again wily. I remember when such a goal was scored - dunno if it was that one or another. But afterwards, numerous players tried a similar trick in other games; staying behind the touch line then coming back into play to try and profit. I think referees tried to eliminate it by saying players can only come back on the field of play when he waves them on - like with injured players returning to the pitch after receiving treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 By being off the pitch I mean he got tackled and ended up falling over the goal line, followed by lots of posturing before getting up and realising he had a chance of scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I remember when such a goal was scored - dunno if it was that one or another. But afterwards, numerous players tried a similar trick in other games; staying behind the touch line then coming back into play to try and profit. I think referees tried to eliminate it by saying players can only come back on the field of play when he waves them on - like with injured players returning to the pitch after receiving treatment. Yeah you've misunderstood me completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Yeah you've misunderstood me completely. Write better then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Ronaldo picks the ball up wide left and runs at the fullback. The fullback puts a good challenge in and gets the ball, making Ronaldo fall over and off the pitch behind the goal The ball gets cleared up to half way Ronaldo takes his time getting back into position, he walks back up to play Madrid create an opening and pass it through for one of their attackers to go through on goal This player goes through, Ronaldo realises he's got an opportunity and gets back onside He receives the ball and puts it in the goal He wasn't offside. Why's that? Because he wasn't involved until the second phase of play. I.e. when the player goes through on goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wilyfox Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 And where was Vydra in all this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Sorry, yes, either player taking a deliberate touch sets the new phase doesn't it. :st2: If either players' touch is judged to be a deflection though (so not really applicable if they'd run towards it as in this scenario, but more relevant after shots and such like), no new phase is deemed to have taken started? So the only real grey area for the officials to contend with there is to judge whether a touch is deliberate enough? I like my hypotheticals, so how about this... Just to mix it up, I'll say that the attacking team is Man Utd: Di Maria shoots from outside the box. Falcao is in an offside position as the shot is struck. The ball hits Rooney in the face and falls to Falcao. Falcao is in an onside position at the point of hitting Rooney because the defenders are running backwards while he is stationary. Is he offside? I'd say that he is offside; but if Rooney could convince the ref that it was a deliberate "header", the goal would stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The start of my last post was in response to DJM's, in which he quoted my hypothetical scenarios, by the way. I can't quote on my laptop for some reason. I must be using the wrong browser or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 In the Ronaldo example, he's not technically allowed back onto the pitch without the referee's say so. He could've pulled it back if he'd've wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 NO HE COULDNT BECAUSE HE DIDN'T GO OFF INJURED. HE SIMPLY FELL OFF THE PITCH. AS IN WHEN PLAYERS GO OFF THE PITCH WHEN THE BALL GOES OUT OF PLAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 In the Ronaldo example, he's not technically allowed back onto the pitch without the referee's say so. He could've pulled it back if he'd've wanted to. If a players natural momentum takes them off the pitch - either from not being able to stop in time or by being bundled over the line in a challenge - then they do not permission to re-enter the pitch It's only if they go off deliberately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junglejay Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 When was the last time that you have seen an offside given when the incident was similar to today I cannot recall a player being given offisde just in the opposition half when another player runs on to receive the ball Refs let play develop to see which player gets the ball Goals are awarded where players in very advanced offside positions are in line with the ball when a shot goes in etc etc The rules have changed - you can ignore them all you like but it is what it is The only time I ever see this type of thing happening is during Sunday league games where the "Lino/Sub" has no grasp of the current offside laws. I'm with you in that I can't see how there is any debate over Ighalo's position, Vydra's looks just offside but at full speed, I can see why the Lino didn't give it - certainly not the worst decision we'll see all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ben29 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 He's guessing though Let's be honest they are guessing most of the time. There job is to look at two different players at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopePiusX Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 This is one of the worst I've seen. The referee was praised for allowing the goal. Stupid law correctly enforced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 I stupidly read the first bit about Ronaldo and replied before reading the proper explanation. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 The Wiltord goal is a very good example of why the rule should be changed to reflect how it is already described in the summary page that has been posted a few times in this thread - i.e. he should be offside if he "gains an advantage". Definitely a loophole! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelowl Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 www.pleasestopitnowffs.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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