Beholder Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 I think we should stick with bothroyd. If fully match fit and sharp he is a far better striker than Cog. Next to bothroyd I would play Maguire. I get what people are saying about Cog but he is a player for another kind of manager. We are trying to build from the back. Not launch it up top and hope that it sticks. That is what cog brings to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 COG is a better alternative than, Madine, Rodri, Bothroyd or Maguire. For me, he would the first striker on the team sheet. He may be a back to basics, reliably limited, player. But, he s streets ahead of the others with what he brings to the team. Absolutely. Depite my defence of COG I accept that this may well be temporary but at the moment the ship needs steadying and we should start by picking the inform players in their proper positions (injuries permitting). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) I think we should stick with bothroyd. If fully match fit and sharp he is a far better striker than Cog. Next to bothroyd I would play Maguire. I get what people are saying about Cog but he is a player for another kind of manager. We are trying to build from the back. Not launch it up top and hope that it sticks. That is what cog brings to the table. No, that is how he has been used since coming here that's all. Bothroyd might well be more talented than COG but at the moment that is not in evidence. Far from it. Fringe players who aren't DJ's favourites must look at what is happening to COG and wonder what is the point? Bad for morale. Edited September 26, 2012 by Dagmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatzooma Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Maybe the paradox is more akin to Schrödinger's principles of a paradox and DJ is hoping to score goals but at the same time not score goals? Both realities co-existing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Briscoe Inferno Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 We are trying to build from the back. Not launch it up top and hope that it sticks. That is what cog brings to the table. Just because CoG plays then you don't have to launch it up to him - hoofball is dead - CoG can still hold the ball up following an intricate passing move, cross field pass or breaking away on the counter. At the moment most moves breakdown in the last third and we are relying on the pace of Antonio and/or JJ to power through or get behind. Invariably the ball is lost, blasted into the stand or not reaching a blue and white shirt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 No, that is how he has been used since coming here that's all. Bothroyd might well be more talented than COG but at the moment that is not in evidence. Far from it. Fringe players who aren't DJ's favourites must look at what is happening to COG and wonder what is the point? Bad for morale. Well this is the problem of having too many to pick from. One player can have a good game but in the long run, Jones will know who he wants to play. COG might give him a a bit of a head ache and cause him to pick him instead but in the long run he is not the answer. A manager should not only pick players because they have had a good game. It is one reason, but in the end you have to pick the players to fit what you are trying to achieve. I don't thin, COG fits that. Most fans on here don't seem to want to look at the bigger picture and what DJ is trying to achieve. They are only looking at temporary form here and there and basing their judgements entirely on that. Look at JJ. Great form for the first few games but reverts to type. His form in a few games should not cause DJ to be thrown off course with his long term vision. If he knows his best 11 he should play them and not give a flying flip about a few fans on some bandwagon crusade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Its an interesting post and partly sums up the manager predicament We seem to have all the pieces of a huge jigsaw, but its worse than that as some of the pieces are missing. I feel a bit for the manager at the moment but it is a problem of his own making, although its something I'm sure he will sort out. He will probably need to wheel and deal a bit more to get in those missing pieces. Ironically although I agree that COG has been our most effective forward, unfortunately he will probably be one of the ones sacrificed in an attempt to find the player who can bring the best out of Rodri and Bothroyd. Personally I think theres been too much upheaval and would have preferred a more targeted approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spookone Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) More choice does not equal more freedom, but more paralysis. Dave Jones and Milan take heed. Too many players, too many variables, too many players to consider and keep happy. Nobody a clear 1st choice. We need to get a settled team now. Part Boloxis Part Genius Edited September 26, 2012 by Spookone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 We are trying to build from the back. Not launch it up top and hope that it sticks. That is what cog brings to the table. I think this a myth. I am not condoning hoofball - but we try to pass in triangles with no end product. It always breaks down, always. If you want to play that game - pass and move - you have to bloody move. COG moves - the other strikers don't IMO. Or, nowhere near enough. Our lack of movement is blindingly obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatzooma Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I think this a myth. I am not condoning hoofball - but we try to pass in triangles with no end product. It always breaks down, always. If you want to play that game - pass and move - you have to bloody move. COG moves - the other strikers don't IMO. Or, nowhere near enough. Our lack of movement is blindingly obvious. Been saying for weeks that we are too static! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 I think this a myth. I am not condoning hoofball - but we try to pass in triangles with no end product. It always breaks down, always. If you want to play that game - pass and move - you have to bloody move. COG moves - the other strikers don't IMO. Or, nowhere near enough. Our lack of movement is blindingly obvious. COG is really strong. I like him for that but I think you are wrong to credit him for his good movement. He is actually quite static. He stands with his back to goal and knows he can because nobody can budge him. It is a strength but it also causes him to get stuck. I don't dismiss him entirely. He has his uses but he wouldn't be my first choice. I can definetly see where DJ is coming from with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 COG is really strong. I like him for that but I think you are wrong to credit him for his good movement. He is actually quite static. He stands with his back to goal and knows he can because nobody can budge him. It is a strength but it also causes him to get stuck. I don't dismiss him entirely. He has his uses but he wouldn't be my first choice. I can definetly see where DJ is coming from with this. McCabe must be pulling his hair out. He finds space, retains possession, can pass and move. I think he is a fantastic prospect. And, nobody moves for him. Rodri's first game, he did this. Don't know why he stopped. Pretty basic for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 McCabe must be pulling his hair out. He finds space, retains possession, can pass and move. I think he is a fantastic prospect. And, nobody moves for him. Rodri's first game, he did this. Don't know why he stopped. Pretty basic for me. I agree. It must be something that stops happening when players lose confidence. Perhaps players stop being so desperate to receive the ball and find subtle ways of hiding and not showing for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 Burnley offered their S/T holders chance to see the clarets for per game prices of between £16+ and £23+ for their coveted Bob Lord Stand. Yet we Owls are being asked to fork out £27 for their poo poo hole behind the goal. My message to Burnley with the Owls playing so well is ....**** right off robbing stinky flapss ! THE PARADOX OF CHOICE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 For players like Barkley, McCabe, Rodri and Bothroyd, that movement should be second nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fedor Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I think we should stick with bothroyd. If fully match fit and sharp he is a far better striker than Cog. Next to bothroyd I would play Maguire. I get what people are saying about Cog but he is a player for another kind of manager. We are trying to build from the back. Not launch it up top and hope that it sticks. That is what cog brings to the table. Totally disagree with what you are saying. At the moment we are just launching balls up to Bothroyd. The one game when we played really good football was against Birmingham, and lo and behold COG was playing up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadingOwl Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 i wer first on here to say weev got too many players You was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gurujuan Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 You can add Pecnik to those four as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beholder Posted September 26, 2012 Author Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) If COG is the answer, he is the answer for another manager. I don't think DJ sees him as the answer. If you trust DJ, trust him to find the right answer. If you don't trust him and want another megson..or any manager for that matter, then COG may be the answer. Personally I am trusting DJ. .....For now at least. Edited September 26, 2012 by Beholder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagmeister Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 If COG is the answer, he is the answer for another manager. I don't think DJ sees him as the answer. If you trust DJ, trust him to find the right answer. If you don't trust him and want another megson..or any manager for that matter, then COG may be the answer. Personally I am trusting DJ. .....For now at least. DJ is getting the answers wrong at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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