HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 So are we really. Kirkland and Gardner. True but right now we have three good keepers and a plethora of Centre halves good enough at Championship level. I think Kirkland could prove a lot of people wrong, and Gardner would not be expected to be an ever present, even if he was able to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror8 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 This has annoyed me. We took so much stick of them for 'not paying our debts' - and yet they're £50m+ in debt themselves. Every penny they spend is a penny they could be paying back their debts. They also have to put up with the Financial fair play rule that has come in. So how have they been allowed to buy ANY players, let alone those with a decent pedigree? Wasn't ours external debt and theirs internal debt? If Co-Op was our main creditor and McCabe's theirs, it's a bit different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxhill Owl Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 So are we really. Kirkland and Gardner. No we're not ! Milan n jones arnt Guna sign crocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Wasn't ours external debt and theirs internal debt? If Co-Op was our main creditor and McCabe's theirs, it's a bit different. Well, no it is different. Wednesday were holding station at "around" 30 million debt for many a year. United have been going down the sh1tter to the tune of around £10-18m per year since they left the Premsier League. Wednesday were servicing the debt but because of internal squabbles chose to gamble on not paying HMRC to force Mandaric's hand into buying in, United have had to lose all their assets and rent them back, because they are in so much debt they are not in a position where anyone would now wish to buy them out. Two totally different situations, one team being more in the mire then the other ever truly was, despite apparently being "hours" away from liquidation. Edited July 27, 2012 by a_weishaupt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Milan Mandaric - God Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 No we're not ! Milan n jones arnt Guna sign crocks. To be fair they've both got pretty bad injury records. not going to lie mcmahon and miller are on par if not better than any signings we have made, very underwhelmed Miller's not even on par with any of our signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror8 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Well, no it is different. Wednesday were holding station at "around" 30 million debt for many a year. United have been going down the sh1tter to the tune of around £10-18m per year since they left the Premsier League. Wednesday were servicing the debt but because of internal squabbles chose to gamble on not paying HMRC to force Mandaric's hand into buying in, United have had to lose all their assets and rent them back, because they are in so much debt they are not in a position where anyone would now wish to buy them out. Two totally different situations, one team being more in the mire then the other ever truly was, despite apparently being "hours" away from liquidation. The point I'm making is, where's the exposure to the debt? Is one of McCabe's companies the main creditor? If so, gambling on their financial future isn't really unethical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 The point I'm making is, where's the exposure to the debt? Is one of McCabe's companies the main creditor? If so, gambling on their financial future isn't really unethical. Assets and club are separated. McCabe will gain all the money owed back now because of rent every year, year on year (or Scarborough holdings will ultimately recoup the debt etc) within 10-20 years now. If club and Assets had remained together then McCabe would never have got back what he was owed - ever. What Utd are now doing is signing players within their means finally. What that means is no more will Sheffield United pretend they are anything close to the potential of Sheffield Wednesday by artificially inflating things like attendences with freebies, signing players they cannot realistically afford etc. You talk of exposure? The wool really has been pulled over many people's eyes for many many years. The next 2 years will prove very enlightening. Especially when the next couple of published accounts are scrutinised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 McMahon did look good for us, at that time under that regime. But if you want to get out of this league to the Prem we'd need better. He should be a good replacement for Lowton mind, I thought Westlake would be first choice£m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Also, don't United still need to get their wages in line with turnover? They can't meet that test yet surely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryPlopper Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Also, don't United still need to get their wages in line with turnover? They can't meet that test yet surely. I think they should now be close, they have lost all big earners bar Quinn now I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Its ok...they laid off a few staff to afford him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kray Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 flip em, just let em rot, theyve signed some bugger from't green mile ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Yeah Quinn is one that must be on big money. As gurujuan says, so much of their big wage bill was taken up by average players. No sign of Quinn leaving though? Cresswell must be on good money and montgomery too. Quinn will be a loss if he goes, but McDonald re sigining is big news for them. He must be injured because it seemed nailed on that hed leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Foxhill Owl Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 To be fair they've both got pretty bad injury records. Miller's not even on par with any of our signings. Yeah but I would call them crocks ! Gardner played 30 games at championship level last year ! Crocks don't do that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevthelodgemoorowl Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Just like Gardner and Kirkland for us, great signing for them, IF he stays fit. Injury record is pretty much just as bad. Surprised they've given two of their biggest contracts to players who are very unlikely to play full seasons or even close to full seasons (McMahon and McDonald). Think Blunts, Cherries, County, Swindon, MK, Coventry all look about as strong as each other at the moment. Won't be any runaways in that division next year IMO. Had iether signed for us you would have put an extra spoon of strawberry powder in your Milk Shake ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juror8 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Had iether signed for us you would have put an extra spoon of strawberry powder in your Milk Shake ! WTF are you on about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.. Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Didnt we play him at left back some of the time? No I think he only played at RB, you're probably thinking of Eddie Nolan who we loaned from Preston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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