Guest lalasibon Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I have just seen Dave Brailsford talking on Football Focus earlier today about the transition from one level to another and the fact that success cannot come over night. He mentioned that you need support from management and other areas to succeed. He was written off as a nutcase so many times with little direction and he has come good time after time. Do we perhaps need to remember where we have come from and realise that the championship we left behind two years ago is no longer the same and it's taking time to adjust. He is trying new things and not just plugging away with the same failings. We have lost each game for different reasons so as long as he learns from his mistakes then surely we are moving somewhere towards the our target. Form is temporary, class is permanent. For one we have a manager who has proven, at this level at least that he is class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsidney Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Has he really proved he's class. Is spending a lot of years in the championship proof of class? Surely the real class managers would have won promotion and spent the majority of their time in the premier league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lalasibon Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Ok he struggled to get Cardiff out of the Championship but he had a good go and he has a much better record than most of our previous managers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Owl Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I have just seen Dave Brailsford talking on Football Focus earlier today about the transition from one level to another and the fact that success cannot come over night. He mentioned that you need support from management and other areas to succeed. He was written off as a nutcase so many times with little direction and he has come good time after time. Do we perhaps need to remember where we have come from and realise that the championship we left behind two years ago is no longer the same and it's taking time to adjust. He is trying new things and not just plugging away with the same failings. We have lost each game for different reasons so as long as he learns from his mistakes then surely we are moving somewhere towards the our target. Form is temporary, class is permanent. For one we have a manager who has proven, at this level at least that he is class. So how come Huddersfield and Charlton aren't struggling to make the adjustment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastern Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Once a manager has lost popular support it is very hard to suggest tenability. Has any Wednesday manager attained such stick, only to turn things around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lalasibon Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Granted Huddersfield and Charlton have started better by keeping the squad much the same, hence they know how to play together. However in the long term their level may stay the same or worsen due to lack of quality. Our pain in the short term is likely to benefit us in the long term No a manager hasn't turned it round after such negativity. But have we had a manager who's history you can point to and say, there is a reason to be positive. It's not all about the past but what has gone before can help to show what is to come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob C Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Ok he struggled to get Cardiff out of the Championship but he had a good go and he has a much better record than most of our previous managers apart from stockport he got wolves promoted in playoffs against UKW then got relegated the following year by the end of april his record at spending money is on a par with viv nicholson and far better than his achievments in football management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JonTheOwl66 Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Norwich and Southampton did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest totemowl Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Once a manager has lost popular support it is very hard to suggest tenability. Has any Wednesday manager attained such stick, only to turn things around? Did any other manager have Owlstalk on the case? Judging by the crowd's response today, he's still got their support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Were not just struggling though. 1 point from 6/7 games is very worrying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Were not just struggling though. 1 point from 6/7 games is very worrying. We used to regularly compete for European football under Trevor Francis, but he had a habit of getting off to horrendous starts, which I guess would be statistically similar to what we've 'achieved' so far. Results, especially in short sequences of a few games, can give a completely false impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 We used to regularly compete for European football under Trevor Francis, but he had a habit of getting off to horrendous starts, which I guess would be statistically similar to what we've 'achieved' so far. Results, especially in short sequences of a few games, can give a completely false impression. They can. But in recent years, its usually resulted in relegation battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJMortimer Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 They can. But in recent years, its usually resulted in relegation battles. I'd pay less attention to short term results than the signs that things will soon improve. Unfortunately, most supporters aren't logical and dispassionate enough to do that without prejudice and usually end up ranting hysterically. The lack of confidence and determination at the moment are more alarming than losing by the odd goal. It seems like we're hoping for something to go right rather than believing we can make it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatricowl Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 Once a manager has lost popular support it is very hard to suggest tenability. Has any Wednesday manager attained such stick, only to turn things around? Has any been given the chance ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted October 6, 2012 Share Posted October 6, 2012 I'd pay less attention to short term results than the signs that things will soon improve. Unfortunately, most supporters aren't logical and dispassionate enough to do that without prejudice and usually end up ranting hysterically. The lack of confidence and determination at the moment are more alarming than losing by the odd goal. It seems like we're hoping for something to go right rather than believing we can make it happen. Well yeah, if we had actually played well in some of these games and had genuine grievances then results dont paint the whole picture. But in this case we have the bad results behind us and the questionable performances which really makes me fear for the season unless something changes drastically. Has any been given the chance ? Brian Laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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