@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Did he really have to disappear back to Italy though to be with his family The club TOLD him he had to. That's a 100% concrete FACT admitted by the clubs directors at the time and Di Canio himself Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Poor attitudes or poor man-management of them? Both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: The club TOLD him he had to. That's a 100% concrete FACT admitted by the clubs directors at the time and Di Canio himself Ok fair enough..in hindsight maybe that wasn't the right thing to do... But if he wanted to be here that bad he would have just knuckled down and acted like a professional making statements like 'he wanted to do the right thing for the club' and he 'would do whatever he could to get his career' back on track. Didn't he 'imply' that he was stabbed in the back by every owner at every club he played for. Personally I don't believe in player power and though they proved to be incompetent, Dave Richards and Danny Wilson had to do something. Harry Redknapp, being the old dog that he is/was just let him have his way. Did we really need/want a player like that at our club? International players would still come to us as a club at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Harry Redknapp, being the old dog that he is/was just let him have his way. I think that alone would suggest that it's a man-management thing Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think that alone would suggest that it's a man-management thing Football is/was full of egos, posturing and crazy moments. Something has to give and somebody has to make decisions. Di Canio would be sacked from most jobs in the world for simple gross misconduct. Do you honestly think Di Canio would have brought us success at that time if he stayed? Edited May 28, 2020 by HIGHERSTATE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WalthamOwl Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 13 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: If we’d have kept Big Ron on at the club rather than replacing him with Danny Wilson, he’d have handled the situation completely differently. Wilson was completely out of his depth handling big personalities. a bit like Monk seems to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, HIGHERSTATE said: Yes he was a standout player but with the quality of the rest of the team we were going down regardless due to throwing money at players that really didn't seem bothered about being here. All the more reason to back him, support him publically, and sell him for the best possible price Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: I think that alone would suggest that it's a man-management thing Not really. Both Carbone and Di canio rarely lasted more than a season at any club they played for, and at the 1st sign of unhappiness they upped sticks. They were both fantastic players, but the fact they moved so often, and never played for any of the elite clubs, suggests it was their attitude holding them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, royalowlisback said: Not really. Both Carbone and Di canio rarely lasted more than a season at any club they played for, and at the 1st sign of unhappiness they upped sticks. Who was managing them though? Danny Wilson? How long did Di Canio stay at West Ham United for in total? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Who was managing them though? Danny Wilson? How long did Di Canio stay at West Ham United for in total? How long did he stay at other clubs for an average until he moved to West Ham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, royalowlisback said: How long did he stay at other clubs for an average until he moved to West Ham? Doesn't that suggest to you that Harry Redknapp was a good man manager compared to the previous managers (Danny Wilson etc) he played under though? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIGHERSTATE Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: How long did Di Canio stay at West Ham United for in total? I reckon most players want to play for a premiership club in London..Exposure, prestige, limelight and cold hard cash. What's not to love. Especially if you're from another country and you have no geographical ties to anywhere in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 Just now, @owlstalk said: Doesn't that suggest to you that Harry Redknapp was a good man manager compared to the previous managers (Danny Wilson etc) he played under though? No it doesn't. The fact Tottenham apart, Redknapp has not managed one of the bigger clubs (and back then Spurs were bang average) suggests his man management wasn't all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, royalowlisback said: No it doesn't. The fact Tottenham apart, Redknapp has not managed one of the bigger clubs (and back then Spurs were bang average) suggests his man management wasn't all that. So managers are only good man-managers if they've managed one of the bigger clubs? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted May 28, 2020 Author Share Posted May 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: I reckon most players want to play for a premiership club in London..Exposure, prestige, limelight and cold hard cash. What's not to love. Especially if you're from another country and you have no geographical ties to anywhere in the UK. Yeah 100% Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royalowlisback Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: So managers are only good man-managers if they've managed one of the bigger clubs? No, but for somebody who has been in the game for so long, what does he have to his name, 1 FA Cup win? His usual strategy, his spend all the money he can, buy as many players as he can, and hope a few of them gel (and wave through the window of his car Transfer Deadline Day). Di Canio enjoyed being the big fish in the pond for a while at West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldierboyblue Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Football is/was full of egos, posturing and crazy moments. Something has to give and somebody has to make decisions. Di Canio would be sacked from most jobs in the world for simple gross misconduct. Do you honestly think Di Canio would have brought us success at that time if he stayed? I don't think we would have been relegated with him and Carbone playing but a huge part of the relegation was the removal of Big Ron second time round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, royalowlisback said: By acting like grade A douchebags, refusing to play, refusing to sit on the bench and/or pretending to be injured. Whether you should be starting a game or not, it is disrespectful to your club, your supporters and your teammates if you refuse to be part of the squad. Just like FF was in the wrong for refusing to travel to Norwich, so was Carbone at Newcastle. Cracking players, but poor attitudes, and it cost Wednesday millions in their subsequent transfer fees. When did they pretend to be injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 1 hour ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Ok fair enough..in hindsight maybe that wasn't the right thing to do... But if he wanted to be here that bad he would have just knuckled down and acted like a professional making statements like 'he wanted to do the right thing for the club' and he 'would do whatever he could to get his career' back on track. Didn't he 'imply' that he was stabbed in the back by every owner at every club he played for. Personally I don't believe in player power and though they proved to be incompetent, Dave Richards and Danny Wilson had to do something. Harry Redknapp, being the old dog that he is/was just let him have his way. Did we really need/want a player like that at our club? International players would still come to us as a club at the time. Wilson was interviewed straight after the game, probably before he had spoken to Di Canio properly, if at all, and announced to the nation that Di Canio had been suspended by the club and we would basically take on the chin whatever the authorities threw at us. We were making an example of him before the FA had the chance to do anything and it unraveled from that point - Richards was hardly going to rock the boat - leaving us high and dry in February 2000 for bigger and better things while the course of the ship he had been steering was well and truly aimed at rocky waters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 51 minutes ago, HIGHERSTATE said: Football is/was full of egos, posturing and crazy moments. Something has to give and somebody has to make decisions. Di Canio would be sacked from most jobs in the world for simple gross misconduct. Do you honestly think Di Canio would have brought us success at that time if he stayed? The players we replaced Di Canio and Carbone with got us relegated. Di Canio was aloof and difficult to manage but his work rate and desire to be successful drove him, most people he has worked with acknowledge that he looked after his fitness and trained harder than many Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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