Paolo Di Canio on life at Sheffield Wednesday

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46 minutes ago, royalowlisback said:

No it doesn't. The fact Tottenham apart, Redknapp has not managed one of the bigger clubs (and back then Spurs were bang average) suggests his man management wasn't all that.

 

Spurs were in the relegation zone when Redknapp took the job and in his 3 full seasons in charge they finished 4th, 5th and 4th, qualifying for the Champions League for the first time since they won the league in 1961. It took them 4 years after he left to get back into the top 4. Reckon he did a pretty good job, his man management can't have been all that bad and he has had plenty of success at smaller clubs. 

[DJMortimer]

8 hours ago, twolaptops said:

Pushes ref......Northern Club Sheffield Wednesday  FA.. "let's have him"................goes to London West Ham...FA.."big welcome Paulo"

 

The worst example of that was Trevor Brooking. On Match of the Day that night he was saying Di Canio should never play again in this country. About 18 months later he was the manager and lauding him.

 

4 hours ago, royalowlisback said:

By acting like grade A douchebags, refusing to play, refusing to sit on the bench and/or pretending to be injured.

 

Whether you should be starting a game or not, it is disrespectful to your club, your supporters and your teammates if you refuse to be part of the squad. Just like FF was in the wrong for refusing to travel to Norwich, so was Carbone at Newcastle. Cracking players, but poor attitudes, and it cost Wednesday millions in their subsequent transfer fees.

 

Just like Americans and the 'love this country' mania which permits just about anything, some people will throw all contemplation out of the window if someone uses the 'disrespect the club' line. Richards must have been well pleased with himself; manipulated the situation to not only get rid of the 'two Italians' but also managed to have some thinking he had nothing to do with it. Di Canio and Carbone were highly temperamental and he knew if he kept pushing them that they would eventually throw a strop and do much of the dirty work for him.

 

[sherlyegg]

16 hours ago, wilyfox said:

Man Utd stood by Cantona for a flying kick at a fan, we disowned Di Canio for a little push on a ref. This club.. 

Our chairman was after a top job at the FA...dealing with it like we did, gave him big brownie points. Though Wilson didn't like him either...perfect excuse for the pair of em...get rid.

And against fooookin Arsenal...Di Canio should have got knighted and given the freedom of the city..

[royalowlisback]

42 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

The worst example of that was Trevor Brooking. On Match of the Day that night he was saying Di Canio should never play again in this country. About 18 months later he was the manager and lauding him.

 

 

Just like Americans and the 'love this country' mania which permits just about anything, some people will throw all contemplation out of the window if someone uses the 'disrespect the club' line. Richards must have been well pleased with himself; manipulated the situation to not only get rid of the 'two Italians' but also managed to have some thinking he had nothing to do with it. Di Canio and Carbone were highly temperamental and he knew if he kept pushing them that they would eventually throw a strop and do much of the dirty work for him.

 

Danny Wilson was quoted at the time (via the BBC and other outlets), when Carbone refused to sit on the bench, that the rest of the squad felt "absolutely awful about it to be honest. They cannot believe a player can do that". That is the very definition of disrespecting his club and his teammates.

[mildatheart67]

To anyone who has not listened to the excellent TheWednesdayWeek  podcast with John Newsome couple of very interesting bits indeed, have a listen.

One was that DiCanio was the hardest trainer but had told him that he had engineered all his previous moves and when the ref went over it passed thru his mind it might have been deliberate.

 

 

[markg]

8 hours ago, HIGHERSTATE said:

Ok fair enough..in hindsight maybe that wasn't the right thing to do... But if he wanted to be here that bad he would have just knuckled down and acted like a professional making statements like 'he wanted to do the right thing for the club' and he 'would do whatever he could to get his career' back on track.

 

Didn't he 'imply' that he was stabbed in the back by every owner at every club he played for.  Personally I don't believe in player power and though they proved to be incompetent, Dave Richards and Danny Wilson had to do something.

 

Harry Redknapp, being the old dog that he is/was just let him have his way.  Did we really need/want a player like that at our club?  International players would still come to us as a club at the time.

He did want to come  back. He repeatedly asked the club when he could come back 

[torryowl]

Just now, markg said:

He did want to come  back. He repeatedly asked the club when he could come back 

how do you know that ?...….

[markg]

21 minutes ago, torryowl said:

how do you know that ?...….

He said it a few times, Wilson has said it too. 

[Spondon Owl]

Nothing anyone will say or has said will convince me that the club acted in the right manner for, ironically, the club and not individuals within the club. We had a saleable asset that we failed to protect and let it depreciate for the saving of face.

 

Atrocious management. 

[Bluesteel]

43 minutes ago, Spondon Owl said:

Nothing anyone will say or has said will convince me that the club acted in the right manner for, ironically, the club and not individuals within the club. We had a saleable asset that we failed to protect and let it depreciate for the saving of face.

 

Atrocious management. 

Completely agree, we then did the same with Carbone. Both made into toxic assets.

 

Perhaps a bit of xenophobia amongst a club with an old fashioned identity and already starting to lag behind the times. Foreign players were still a new commodity with their fancy boots and their attitude was clearly deemed mercenary disrespectful and “bigger than the club” but in truth that has only got worse since and clubs have probably learnt from us in that sense.  

[DJMortimer]

8 hours ago, royalowlisback said:

Danny Wilson was quoted at the time (via the BBC and other outlets), when Carbone refused to sit on the bench, that the rest of the squad felt "absolutely awful about it to be honest. They cannot believe a player can do that". That is the very definition of disrespecting his club and his teammates.

 

Like I said; they were egotistical and emotional and the chairman/manager were playing the long game. Just keep prodding them and they will eventually lose it and then you've got your excuse. Don't forget that the enmity between the two sides had started before the Alcock incident. I think it manifested publicly for the first time when the 'fancy dans' were singled out after losing to Cambridge in the League Cup. 

 

If you just read the headlines, then the subtleties of the story beneath will not be perceived. But some people will go off like a car alarm at the merest hint of 'disrespecting the club' and that's pretty much the end of it. Fortunately though, the club were vindicated and we didn't miss them one bit.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 29, 2020 by DJMortimer

[quinnssweetshop]

18 hours ago, Bluesteel said:

We were too bothered about our old image as a club and relationship with the FA and it’s cost us.

And the FA still hate us 

[Dutch McLovin]

10 hours ago, Spondon Owl said:

Nothing anyone will say or has said will convince me that the club acted in the right manner for, ironically, the club and not individuals within the club. We had a saleable asset that we failed to protect and let it depreciate for the saving of face.

 

Atrocious management. 

Spot on !

 

We have had no strong management from the top down for years and years..... We couldn't organise a p1ss up in a brewery back then and we still cant now.

 

We had one of the best players in the league, no he shouldn't have pushed him but it was made out to be a lot worse than it was. And we should have looked after him and backed him from the top down. Richards wanted the FA job and Wilson wanted players he was bigger than.

 

Fast forward to now and we have a squad all out of contract within a two year period, and a manager who hasnt got a clue isolating our best players. 20 odd years on and were still in a bloody mess.

[royalowlisback]

7 hours ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Like I said; they were egotistical and emotional and the chairman/manager were playing the long game. Just keep prodding them and they will eventually lose it and then you've got your excuse. Don't forget that the enmity between the two sides had started before the Alcock incident. I think it manifested publicly for the first time when the 'fancy dans' were singled out after losing to Cambridge in the League Cup. 

 

If you just read the headlines, then the subtleties of the story beneath will not be perceived. But some people will go off like a car alarm at the merest hint of 'disrespecting the club' and that's pretty much the end of it. Fortunately though, the club were vindicated and we didn't miss them one bit.

 

100% agree that we missed them, or certainly the quality they could produce, and as is always the case with Wednesday, we very rarely replace good players with adequate or better replacements.