dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Yep, Man U and City for example have a plan a) which is open attacking football, but if needed they can close ranks. Arsenal stick rigidly to the same attractive philosophy and it costs them at times. but after years of weeing into the wind they fetched bould in as a defensive coach... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I can see where he was coming from with his selection. With 3 of his back 4 out, it was the pick of the scraps left. Buxton, Reda and Gardner are a short distance from returning. Hopefully then we can establish a settled back four, like last season. Over to the physio! I wonder if we will go in for another centre back at some point in the near future if Gardner cant stay fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Just like I've said previously it's whether the boo boys will start rounding on the team at the home games which is where the biggest impact will be felt by DJ and the team. I think we already know the answer to that The only downside of promotion to a better/tougher division is we could see the re-emergence of one of the major factors why we've not done as well as we could in the past Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 You mean you looked at the line up before the match and though it'll be reyt, in DJ we trust? No But at the same time I'm more than happy to give this BRILLIANT manager time and space to fix what needs fixing The issue with clamouring for change is that it will undoubtedly bring about a bottom atmosphere at Hillsborough and make the job even harder Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Yes, it is DJ that needs to learn, you can't blame any one player when two goals are conceded every game. The buck stops at the manager. Two problems for me: 1). We are relying on Gardner as our first choice, his hamstrings will ensure that we never have a settled back four 2). Something has gone wrong at RB. Losing Buxton should never involve two players playing out of position. If Lee can't step in, time for a loan. I'm sure DJ will sort. He can lead us to the promised land, this is a wobble on the way - I hope. Yeah, I remember Gardner saying that 30 or so games is a good season for him so we may see a fair few changes to the back four. Did Lee pick up an injury in pre-season because he hasnt figured at all, its very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I think we already know the answer to that The only downside of promotion to a better/tougher division is we could see the re-emergence of one of the major factors why we've not done as well as we could in the past what's that the brian laws thinking on defensive responsibilities??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The most painful thing about Owlstalk sometimes is reading all the posts for Reda, Madine, Buxton et al to be dropped as they're poo /a liability etc Then when they're not in the side and we're losing people the same 'experts' scratching their heads as to why we're not doing as well Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest intercity0wl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The most painful thing about Owlstalk sometimes is reading all the posts for Reda, Madine, Buxton et al to be dropped as they're poo pooe/a liability etc Then when they're not in the side and we're losing people the same 'experts' scratching their heads as to why we're not doing as well Two of the three you mention we are missing i will agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WatfordOwl Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I think we already know the answer to that The only downside of promotion to a better/tougher division is we could see the re-emergence of one of the major factors why we've not done as well as we could in the past It was there at Brighton. The more level headed of us will realise that 2 defeats in 20 odd games is not a crisis and hopefully those that don't will be a small minority on Wednesday night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 No But at the same time I'm more than happy to give this BRILLIANT manager time and space to fix what needs fixing The issue with clamouring for change is that it will undoubtedly bring about a poo pooter atmosphere at Hillsborough and make the job even harder Im convinced DJ is the man for the job. At home then we should be able to go for the jugular anyway, its not home games that are the issue as the atmosphere shouldnt be affected. Just maybe tweaking things away from home to make us a bit more rigid if the current plan doesnt start working soon. There is no real clamour for change other than to sort the defence out which has already been acknowledged. I think your just sensationalising things when people have given some pretty reasonable points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 There is no real clamour for change other than to sort the defence out which has already been acknowledged You're totally wrong People aren't just asking for the defence to be sorted They're asking for us to drop wingers, drop playmakers in midfield and put another defensive midfielder in, and play one up front Read Owlstalk It's all there for you Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The most painful thing about Owlstalk sometimes is reading all the posts for Reda, Madine, Buxton et al to be dropped as they're poo pooe/a liability etc Then when they're not in the side and we're losing people the same 'experts' scratching their heads as to why we're not doing as well Cant disagree with that though. I think we need the continuity and the determined attitude they bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 You're totally wrong People aren't just asking for the defence to be sorted They're asking for us to drop wingers, drop playmakers in midfield and put another defensive midfielder in, and play one up front Read Owlstalk It's all there for you I'm talking about this thread. But you just want to talk about the people with extreme opinions who are surely in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I'm talking about this thread. But you just want to talk about the people with extreme opinions who are surely in the minority. Not at all There's a similar thread that has evolved into the same discussion Have a read The lunacy is more widespread than you think Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesteel Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Not at all There's a similar thread that has evolved into the same discussion Have a read The lunacy is more widespread than you think Well. I have always thought that Owlstalk suffers from bi-polar disorder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
since59owe Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Well. I have always thought that Owlstalk suffers from bi-polar disorder Cheaper than meds', init. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 The most painful thing about Owlstalk sometimes is reading all the posts for Reda, Madine, Buxton et al to be dropped as they're poo pooe/a liability etc Then when they're not in the side and we're losing people the same 'experts' scratching their heads as to why we're not doing as well reda, madine, and buxton may not be in the side at present, they may, or may not be good enough to press on to where dj, milan, and the fans want to see us go... however having done 90%+ of our recruiting, i'm looking at us not having adequate cover for players who would have been among those who supporters would be thinking are they good enough to go on?... good money spent, and plenty spent on the back line, yet the present outcome is we are looking forward to getting reda and buxton back... reda is far from being the finished article at this level, buxton may well be past his best... for me both newly recruited full backs should have been automatic choices on ability to challenge for a place, or why get them in?... if dj thinks he can play arsen wenger/brian laws style attacking football without too much thought for defence... he'll need some bloody money to spend on player turn over, and milan isn't known for throwing silly money at player recruitment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 (edited) You're totally wrong People aren't just asking for the defence to be sorted They're asking for us to drop wingers, drop playmakers in midfield and put another defensive midfielder in, and play one up front Read Owlstalk It's all there for you brian laws thinking... pick keeper, pick 4 defenders... that's our defensive responsibilities sorted... everybody else ATTACK... against every side away from home it won't work... our annual reading adventure, and burnley at home to man. citeh showed that... Edited September 16, 2012 by dnhc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 reda is far from being the finished article at this level, buxton may well be past his best... How did we do with them in the side ? How did we do without them in the side ? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorian gray Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 How did we do with them in the side ? How did we do without them in the side ? i had hoped that IF and when we brought ANY new players into the club following promotion... they would have been better players than the ones we had... i'm pretty sure that's not the case with all our new recruits... anyone who hasn't concerns about reda's position/future at the club, doesn't know too much about fullback play... he's the heart of a lion, he's wednesday through and through, but he ain't a championship full back, and he may never be one either... for me that position needs sorting by the addition of a championship class fullback, whilst reda is schooled to play in a more central role in the future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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