Popular Post Mystic Neg Posted December 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2018 I couldn't take anymore without the bar open and with the video link in Charlton suite. They may as well have been in Russia, not 2 floors below. Here goes Said he had doubted his self and did the usual talk about family. Repeated the following many times throughout; I love this club, I never lie to fans, I try my best. Worrying statements I didn't ask the players what they though of manager on Monday. I don't know what the plan is. Next season is too far away. Could t answer question about strategy over next year, 2 years, 5 years etc. He was too tired. Did talk about fans on social media but didn't appear to blame fans in general this time round. Said Noone knew more about FFP than him. We have faced embargo before and will again. He is working tirelessly on minimising impact. Claimed it was very normal for championship clubs trying to get promoted. Denied that anyone wanted our players emphasising that to get rid of someone you need a buyer and them to want to leave their contract. Claimed he didn't think he'd gambled but that he'd spent all the money to stay up and not go down. Didnt acknowledge the risk of going down and said. We will not go down. Told fabs not to believe all the negativity bout Doyen. He trusts them, he still has the same recruitment approach and he believes in it. Yes some players don't work out many of the reasons couldn't have been predicted. Comes across as very defensive here. Sid if we had got promoted the recruitment team would have been labelled hero's. My advisors are all experts, they know football. I trust them. All good clubs use advisors like this, man City man utd. Roeder left the club because he wanted Carlos job. Denied contracts or appearance bonus influencing team selections. But hinted more factors came to play than that and fitness. There is no budget now or for summer because of FFP. He is working hard to rectify. His costs remain high so ticket prices the same. We still have a very expensive squad. Won't go away anytime soon. Laughed off red bull buying the club. They are looking at premier league teams. At one point nearly cried and asked himself why he was here, he misses his family, people love him when he has money to spend and don't like him when he can't spend. Perhaps I should have sold. I can tthi K about the future here, I am dealing with now. Jos related statements I am not sacking Jos. He didn't rule it out though. His concern was around who he could get that was better. Defended Jos for losing it on Saturday night. He is a human being etc. Defended Jos for what he said about fans expectations. Igbored question regarding why Jos won a game and then changed players and formation. Ignored it. Said Jos doesn't like players that can't last 90 minutes. How do I sack him, we need a reason to sack him, I don't have one. Says we can afford to and its not a problem if he chose to. Was pressed on how long Jos contract was and suggested it lasts til end of season minimum. Encouraged a critical fan to apply for the head coach position should come available. Positive statements We must stick together, it is most important when times are tough. KM stated they had made improvements to youth players contracts to stop what happened losing our young talent like Hirst and Claire. . Other events some Jos out clapping when people spoke out of turn. Lots of talk about other challenges - GDPR, fanzone, meadowhall, beach towels arriving for Christmas, filling the stadium. Heard nothing about women's football team. On Abdi. Was told he was amazing, the professor, Carlos wanted him to be the hub of the team. Abdi kept getting injured according to his own doctors but he was telling the press he was fit. He was very critical of Abdi and it didn't matter what he said as he won't play for the club again. My summary DC looks like he is struggling. He was very emotional in most of what he said and came out with some very worrying statements. Top 3 being, he didn't have a plan, there were other problems with players aside from fitness, yet not related to contracts. For some people he's not prepared to sack Jos at the moment. For me, there has been some real problems with the players not just Abdi, Forestieri on occasion but probably Westwood. The latter one instigated ask me about this when players have left. Luhukay was brought in to manage a difficult situation with players and it seems likely he is playing so much youth to up their experience because we will need players next season we can't buy or sign. Playing either difficult characters, players that can't last 90 minutes or crocks isn't the plan. DC appears to back him for that. I felt sorry for DC but that doesn't make it OK. I was not convinced by any of the other people on the table present or that spoke. I remain highly concerned and feel I have learnt a little more. It is not a happy camp and the strains of that are obvious in DC tone and emotional language. 7 25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) I did my best to scribble what I could down nothing in there is intended to be misleading. At times it was very difficult to understand DC point so I used my interpretation and others sat around me. Others who were there may think I am well off the mark so apologies. I don't fancy a career in Journalism put it that way. Edited December 20, 2018 by Mystic Neg 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mystic Neg said: I did my best to scribble what I could down nothing in there is intended to be misleading. At times it was very difficult to understand DC point so I used my interpretation and others sat around me. Others who were there may think I am well off the mark so apologies. I don't fancy a career in Journalism put it that way. Well whatever anyone else says I am definitely grateful for your efforts. Thank you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 If anyone wants me to clarify anything else that was reported to have been said I will try my best to remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rev Owl said: Well whatever anyone else says I am definitely grateful for your efforts. Thank you. Welcome Rev, it will probably get lost anyway as I imagine there will be loads of reaction tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) Given all the speculation that we are in real difficulties financially and that Jos wasn't being sacked and that there wasn't a plan all of which seemed to be confirmed, was there anything that genuinely struck you as news? ie hadn't already been known or guessed. Edited December 20, 2018 by Rev Owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davetherivelinowl Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Thanks for this. I had a go at a summary in another thread (Can I have a summary?) but I wasn't there so its only based on Owlstalk and Twitter feeds from journalists etc. I imagine mine will get lost too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rev Owl said: Given all the speculation that we are in real difficulties financially and that Jos wasn't being sacked and that there wasn't a plan all of which seemed to be confirmed, was there anything that genuinely struck you as news? ie hadn't already been known or guessed. Difficult to say. I thought there was enough to rule out contractual issues stopping players being picked. Firmer suggestion that there are a few problem players definitely. I think the fact we can't use savings from 9 players out of contract at end of year very much gives an answer to why we are trying to create a team from those left at the moment, the youth and the second rate in the main. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Mystic Neg said: Difficult to say. I thought there was enough to rule out contractual issues stopping players being picked. Firmer suggestion that there are a few problem players definitely. I think the fact we can't use savings from 9 players out of contract at end of year very much gives an answer to why we are trying to create a team from those left at the moment, the youth and the second rate in the main. And so the $64000 question. As someone who was there and someone who regularly posts on Owlstalk, should he have held this forum, was it worth the aggro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rev Owl said: And so the $64000 question. As someone who was there and someone who regularly posts on Owlstalk, should he have held this forum, was it worth the aggro? If I were him I would have used the opportunity and even this forum and social media to predict all the questions and answers demanded. I would have put a carefully worded factual statement together that showed strength but remained honest and in no way emotional. Chansiri came across as very vulnerable and out of his depth tonight. Had he released a statement with most of what the fans want to know, where he either legally can or it doesn't expose the club to risk he would have been better off. It was halfway between pointless and valuable, closer to pointless. He has stressed himself out and given very little closure to issues people have, in some cases because he quite simply doesn't have the language to articulate his point. He should in future go factual statement followed by Q and A on statement a week later. Edited December 20, 2018 by Mystic Neg 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Owl Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Mystic Neg said: If I were him I would have used the opportunity and even this forum and social media to predict all the questions and answers demanded. I would have put a carefully worded factual statement together that showed strength but remained honest and in no way emotional. Chansiri came across as very vulnerable and out of his depth tonight. Had he released a statement with most of what the fans want to know, where he either legally can or it doesn't expose the club to risk he would have been better off. It was halfway between pointless and valuable, closer to pointless. He has stressed himself out and given very little closer to issues, in some cases because he quite simply doesn't have the language to articulate his point. He should in future go factual statement followed by Q and A on statement a week later. OK thanks. I didn't believe it would do any good really and I think your suggestions are on the money, certainly it's what I would have done. Thanks again for your work. Off to bed, see you all on Saturday when we will trounce the hapless opposites. UTO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mystic Neg said: He should in future go factual statement followed by Q and A on statement a week later. Honestly, I’d be surprised if we ever hear from him again in anywhere near this level of details. Tonight felt a bit like the beginning of the end even before he announced we were back up for sale. I dont think he does a full disappearing act, but I think the club go dark from here on for quite a while - maybe until it’s sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, sheffield_dave said: Honestly, I’d be surprised if we ever hear from him again in anywhere near this level of details. Tonight felt a bit like the beginning of the end even before he announced we were back up for sale. I dont think he does a full disappearing act, but I think the club go dark from here on for quite a while - maybe until it’s sold. I left before the club was put up for sale. Did that actually happen? No wonder Noone is really interested in my pre 10pm chat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) Did I forget to mention that he decided to sell the club? Kinnell, I sat for 3 hours without any groundbreaking news or beer and he sold the jeffin club on my way home. He also discredited Alan Nixon and told him to come and see him, for what it's worth. Edited December 20, 2018 by Mystic Neg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Mystic Neg said: Told fans not to believe all the negativity bout Doyen. He trusts them, he still has the same recruitment approach and he believes in it. Can you clarify if this means Doyen are still around, or just that he's following a similar recruitment approach because he believes in it? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bobness said: Can you clarify if this means Doyen are still around, or just that he's following a similar recruitment approach because he believes in it? Cheers I cannot clarify that but he said he has had the same approach since he started. 3rd party identify targets, coach says he wants them and DC has final say. Im guessing they are still involved. Edited December 20, 2018 by Mystic Neg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mystic Neg said: I cannot clarify that but he said he has had the same approach since he started. 3rd party identify targets, coach says he wants them and DC has final say. Im guessing they are still involved. Does sound like they are still involved. Quite worrying. I genuinely believed at the turn of last year DC had realised what a cluster he'd gotten into thanks to their sage advice (which he somehow still believes in). Do feel for the man. Absolutely clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 Just now, bobness said: Does sound like they are still involved. Quite worrying. I genuinely believed at the turn of last year DC had realised what a cluster he'd gotten into thanks to their sage advice (which he somehow still believes in). Do feel for the man. Absolutely clueless. He didn't know any better and he had good intentions for us and himself but it was a much bigger challenge than he could manage. Very thankful to him for efforts but I think this was always going to happen, it was coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Mystic Neg said: He didn't know any better and he had good intentions for us and himself but it was a much bigger challenge than he could manage. True, but the writing was on the wall before we signed Jos. I imagined he'd realised something was wrong by then. Seems he's put our failures down to sheer bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Neg Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, bobness said: True, but the writing was on the wall before we signed Jos. I imagined he'd realised something was wrong by then. Seems he's put our failures down to sheer bad luck. As others have said on here. All he needed to do was employ an experienced DOF on the payroll to recruit and manage the head coach and all the recruitment. Then no Doyen necessary and no questions of 3rd party motives or influence. That was his one major fail that has lead to this all going south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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