scram Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 When was the last time that you have seen an offside given when the incident was similar to today I cannot recall a player being given offisde just in the opposition half when another player runs on to receive the ball Refs let play develop to see which player gets the ball Goals are awarded where players in very advanced offside positions are in line with the ball when a shot goes in etc etc The rules have changed - you can ignore them all you like but it is what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) I think he's getting a little confused because he only bothered reading the first couple of pages of the rules. It does seem to say that a player can only be given offside if they receive the ball. But then it goes on to explain that an active player is any player affecting the play (e.g. through deception of the opposition defence). ...yet he has the audacity to dissmiss my comments because I apparently don't understand ther game like he does. That's why I threw my teddies out of the pram Scram. Like I said before, it's a judgement call, and you have no more authority on the subject than anyone else. All our opinions are valid. Some are just a little more informed than others. Edited October 18, 2014 by George Whitebread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmyowl1212 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Was off side as the player four yards off side was active according to FIFA rules thus off side. http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf get it sent to the FA for the refs and lino's to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 When was the last time that you have seen an offside given when the incident was similar to today I cannot recall a player being given offisde just in the opposition half when another player runs on to receive the ball Refs let play develop to see which player gets the ball Goals are awarded where players in very advanced offside positions are in line with the ball when a shot goes in etc etc The rules have changed - you can ignore them all you like but it is what it is That's not what happened though. He didn't run back onside, then turn and join in. He ran straight into the position he scored from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) That's not what happened though. He didn't run back onside, then turn and join in. He ran straight into the position he scored from. In the 2nd phase.... And it happens all the time but most fans don't bother about it because it doesn't affect them But those are the rules Edited October 18, 2014 by scram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest _Ibbo_ Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 In the 2nd phase.... And it happens all the time but most fans don't bother about it because it doesn't affect them But those are the rules He was clearly active though in the 1st phase never mind what happened after... are you seriously suggesting when that ball was played forward neither of the two forwards were gaining an advantage or involved actively in the play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slinger208b Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 It looks offside to me but now I realise the ball is off the ground and has been touched so the attacker would have been behind the defender isn't it? Hally loo ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 In the 2nd phase.... And it happens all the time but most fans don't bother about it because it doesn't affect them But those are the rules He was affecting the positioning and runs of the defenders throughout that 'section' of play. So whether you want to call it another phase of play each time someone takes a touch or not. He was active in all the "phases" that lead to the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 F**k me, I'm logging off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Hally loo ya Ha ha! Brilliant! We can all set up two accounts to agree with ourselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 He was clearly active though in the 1st phase never mind what happened after... are you seriously suggesting when that ball was played forward neither of the two forwards were gaining an advantage or involved actively in the play? He wasn't active Those are the rules When was the last time you saw an offside given in those circumstances - because i can't remember one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest _Ibbo_ Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 He wasn't active Those are the rules When was the last time you saw an offside given in those circumstances - because i can't remember one What circumstances ? If that was given offside no one would have battered an eye lid. And TV replays would have shown at least one player clearly off side. It's no different to any other off side decisions made or not made.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Scram you're wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scram Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 What circumstances ? If that was given offside no one would have battered an eye lid. And TV replays would have shown at least one player clearly off side. It's no different to any other off side decisions made or not made.... The circumstances where an inactive player was given offside when the active player was deemed onside? I take the point that Vydra was offside (looking at the still phot) - but this isn't about Vydra Under the ruling Ighalo wasn't offside - we see it all the time - a player who is initially in an "offside" position goes on to score a goal in a later phase As i said - of we had scored such a goal there would be no debate on here whether the scorer was offside or not Scram you're wrong Ok That incisive and rapier-like cutting edge debate sure leaves me stranded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG D Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 Fat Frank should have been given offside then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmyowl1212 Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) Right looking at the rules id say that the bottom bit of page 10 is what happened in the game today but as Scram said as he didnt touch the ball page 14 applies BUT he did gain an advantage by being in an offside position. page 10 by barmyowl1212, on Flickr Page 14 by barmyowl1212, on Flickr So to sum up FIFA need to change the rules. If a player is behind the last man its offside simple as that Edited October 18, 2014 by barmyowl1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 The circumstances where an inactive player was given offside when the active player was deemed onside? I take the point that Vydra was offside (looking at the still phot) - but this isn't about Vydra Under the ruling Ighalo wasn't offside - we see it all the time - a player who is initially in an "offside" position goes on to score a goal in a later phase As i said - of we had scored such a goal there would be no debate on here whether the scorer was offside or not Ok That incisive and rapier-like cutting edge debate sure leaves me stranded No need to debate, you're wrong , it's that simple, glad we have cleared that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 He wasn't active Those are the rules When was the last time you saw an offside given in those circumstances - because i can't remember one He was active. Those are the rules. You don't get to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geörge Whitebread Posted October 18, 2014 Share Posted October 18, 2014 The circumstances where an inactive player was given offside when the active player was deemed onside? If we were all in agreement that he was "inactive", there wouldn't be a debate would there?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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