Guest scott the owl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 (edited) i hope rather than think laws will get a chance with some cash, and if it is no going right bring in a new man, he has roved he can bring good players in ie, turner,songo'o, sahar, sodje. I will just throw this at you, laws has had hardly any real money to spend but with this team where do think we would be? grant simek beevers wood spurr johnson macca kav (the midfield needs some more quality adding to it, this is where laws went wrong in the summer) songo'o sodje jeffers bench small esajas hinds tudgay burton Edited April 9, 2008 by scott the owl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senwar Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I think there have been many managers with no experiance getting out of this league. But lets look at Jewell or Coppell of Reading. They both got out of this division with money. They would have taken a lot longer otherwise. Then the stoke manager has slowly built a team. Its a big debate.......but i have no doubt if Laws was given money and got the right kind of player then we would be in the play offs. You only have to look at the play offs points range this season to see its not as difficult as it may seem. If we had won our last 6 games instead of draw them. We would be a win off the play offs. Strange when you think of that right? IF IF IF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris_owl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 I'm not a fan of big sam as a manager. the football will be worse than it is now. I agree we need a big name, but we won't get a massive name. Who is avaiable who realistically would manage us? I still say Steve Clarke all the way. Good contacts from chelsea. We might get Saha for the season. And he might get us playing better football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owl82 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 IF IF IF Understood.....but if he had money and the right type of player.....and played those 6 games with players he wanted. It would have been a differant story. Loan players are never consistant. I think last season showed what laws is capable of. (when the board dont stick their noses in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig Brown Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 shoestring budget and an injury list as long as your arm the man has worked wonders no more revolving door at S6 when will you people EVER learn Agreed and have been saying this all along. Stick with Brian, there is no1 better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Agreed and have been saying this all along. Stick with Brian, there is no1 better Of course there are better managers than Laws otherwise he would not have been stuck at Sflaphorpe and Grimsby for God knows how long. It depends on the situation - what league we are in, who the owners are and what the finances are like. I'm all for getting off Laws' back now but the situation needs review at the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesvegas Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 shoestring budget and an injury list as long as your arm the man has worked wonders no more revolving door at S6 when will you people EVER learn Without investment we might aswell stick with Laws and scratch around at the foot of the tableWith investment he needs to go if we are to progress Nice guy Useless manager imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steer Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Pay peanuts, get monkeys. Both in getting a manager and the manager trying to buy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgmetcalf Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 The normal argument not to sack a manager is that a club needs stability and a new manager would take time to build his own squad. But the truth is, Laws is going to need time to build a squad, so we may as well get a good manager to do it. That doesn't make sense - You want him to build a squad but you want another manager? then you have the injured players of which its only sodje who would be a first choice and who laws bought. Laws has not bought or signed any players. The football club signs players. Sometimes a manager might approach the board for funding to get a player and maybe he'll get lucky. Very rarely would it come from the manager's own expense. Other times the manager may be given a player to work with who he has not approached to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owl82 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 That doesn't make sense - You want him to build a squad but you want another manager? Laws has not bought or signed any players. The football club signs players. Sometimes a manager might approach the board for funding to get a player and maybe he'll get lucky. Very rarely would it come from the manager's own expense. Other times the manager may be given a player to work with who he has not approached to sign. Laws points out what player he wants....then the club do the paper work. I remember Laws off to Holland to look at Esasjas. (spelling?) Its down to Laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dronowl66 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Got to say Im completely open minded on Laws but I must admit its nice to have a Manager who on Derby day can put a team out who will fight for everything and give us some pride , I mean how many times have we seen a spineless Wednesday team capitulate to the blunts and go down without so much of a whimper. Like I said at this moment the jurys still out for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris_owl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 That doesn't make sense - You want him to build a squad but you want another manager? Laws has not bought or signed any players. The football club signs players. Sometimes a manager might approach the board for funding to get a player and maybe he'll get lucky. Very rarely would it come from the manager's own expense. Other times the manager may be given a player to work with who he has not approached to sign. Brain laws had had a year an a half to build a squad and all he has (i.e players who we own and are good) is sodje, Grant and Johnson. The rest were here before he got her. And as for him not buying players but being told which players the club are going to buy. Thats rubbish. Laws is given an amount of money and goes and finds a player he wants. the only person to blame on the transfer front is laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Got to say Im completely open minded on Laws but I must admit its nice to have a Manager who on Derby day can put a team out who will fight for everything and give us some pride , I mean how many times have we seen a spineless Wednesday team capitulate to the blunts and go down without so much of a whimper. Like I said at this moment the jurys still out for me Two seasons ago when United did the double. "King" Paul had them motivated! :st2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owl82 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 TBH Laws has not had the money. This is the transfers this season. Ronnie Wallwork West Bromwich Albion 11/01/08 Free transfer Akpo Sodje Port Vale 30/08/07 Undisclosed fee (media reports £300,000) Etienne Esajas Vitesse Arnhem (HOL) 29/08/07 Undisclosed fee Francis Jeffers Blackburn Rovers 09/08/07 Undisclosed fee (media reports £700,000) Steve Watson West Bromwich Albion 10/07/07 Free transfer Richard Hinds Sflaphorpe United 02/07/07 Free transfer Robert Burch Tottenham Hotspur 02/07/07 Free transfer Lee Grant Derby County 02/07/07 Free transfer So thats £1.25 paid. I think Esajas was 250,000 k? Whelan and Brunt sold, so thats £3.5m sold. We also sold Bougherra for 2.5m. I think we bought Johnson for 450,000? We have sold better players than bought. I thnk that has a big part to do with our downfall. Also if you add the injuries. DA's press meeting, taking the fans to court....it all effects the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 TBH Laws has not had the money. This is the transfers this season. Ronnie Wallwork West Bromwich Albion 11/01/08 Free transfer Akpo Sodje Port Vale 30/08/07 Undisclosed fee (media reports £300,000) Etienne Esajas Vitesse Arnhem (HOL) 29/08/07 Undisclosed fee Francis Jeffers Blackburn Rovers 09/08/07 Undisclosed fee (media reports £700,000) Steve Watson West Bromwich Albion 10/07/07 Free transfer Richard Hinds Sflaphorpe United 02/07/07 Free transfer Robert Burch Tottenham Hotspur 02/07/07 Free transfer Lee Grant Derby County 02/07/07 Free transfer So thats £1.25 paid. I think Esajas was 250,000 k? Whelan and Brunt sold, so thats £3.5m sold. We also sold Bougherra for 2.5m. I think we bought Johnson for 450,000? We have sold better players than bought. I thnk that has a big part to do with our downfall.Also if you add the injuries. DA's press meeting, taking the fans to court....it all effects the players. Of course, but to be fair, Laws knew what the situation was like at Hillsborough before he took the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Owl82 Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Of course, but to be fair, Laws knew what the situation was like at Hillsborough before he took the job. Exactly...............but we know it more than anyone. So why do the fans still go on saying "sack the manager". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Exactly...............but we know it more than anyone. So why do the fans still go on saying "sack the manager". Because some people will just not accept that there is life beyond Paul Sturrock. TBH I like Sturrock too but, after getting Wednesday promoted via the playoffs, his record in the CCC was ordinary to say the very least. I believe that Laws took us forward but injuries and having to sell players have added to his downfall. I hope that if this so called "takeover" takes place and the club is financially sound once more, it can do better than either Sturrock or Laws (cue the wrath of the KPS brigade!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Matt Webb Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Personally, I would keep Laws for several reasons: 1. No manager worth his salt would want to come to wednesday right now 2. Laws has had no significant money to spend, and his best players have been sold from under him. 3. An awful injury situation that would have severely affected any club 4. Considering the situation at the club,with no leadership, no support and a great deal of uncertainty, I doubt that any manager could have done much better. The club is a complete mess. If we are taken over, I believe that Laws deserves the chance to take the club up with a proper budget and with support from the board and with a team that is capable of winning games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senwar Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Because some people will just not accept that there is life beyond Paul Sturrock. TBH I like Sturrock too but, after getting Wednesday promoted via the playoffs, his record in the CCC was ordinary to say the very least. I believe that Laws took us forward but injuries and having to sell players have added to his downfall. I hope that if this so called "takeover" takes place and the club is financially sound once more, it can do better than either Sturrock or Laws (cue the wrath of the KPS brigade!).Its got f00k all to do with Sturrock!Its down to the fact Laws is not good enough (IMO). Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChinaOwl Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Its got f00k all to do with Sturrock! Its down to the fact Laws is not good enough (IMO). Jesus But what I still hear and see is KPS would do this, KPS would do that, bring back KPS! I think that neither Sturrock nor Laws should be manager of a club the size of Wednesday if the financial restrictions did not exist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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