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Atheism is the belief that there is no God. As such, it is a metaphysical truth claim about the nature of existence, which you hold as a matter of faith, because you cannot actually know.

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Guest Johnbloodaxe

Have to agree with Beholder and DJM that 'God' is just a label we apply to what is utterly beyond our comprehension; and in merely contradicting the label, we are not adding anything to the sum of human knowledge.

Also agree that scientism is itself a belief system. Scientific method is based on making predictions about future events from past experience, and since we can never be certain that the future will behave as the past has, all scientific reasoning is contingent at best.

The problem with someone like Dawkins is that he introduces a reductionist agenda, which privileges the natural sciences as a methodological ideal for all other study. To assume that the categories of current western epistemology, eg. data, evidence, verification, method, are adequate for interpreting spirituality, is to prejudice the results before you even start. Not very scientific.

By way of contrast, traditional apophatic mysticism and philosophy have always spoken of religious life as a path of unknowing. The further you go, the more fully you realise that your concepts are meaningless.

Sonny has it the wrong way round for once; it is, ironically, the atheists who think they 'know' about God, and the 'believers' who realise they don't. The OP can only express the opinion he does, that religion has no place in sport, on the basis of his, again ironically unscientific, faith in atheism.

mehhhhhhh that's easy or you to say.....

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