billyblack Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 50 minutes ago, mkowl said: Well if he has a divided team of players he certainly has succeeded on dividing the fan base here. The problem is is trying to fit a long term quart into a short term pint pot. Football fans don't work on those principles and it's a ruddy high risk strategy for any football manager. I think most in principle support the rationale for the transition just not the way the transition is being handled. That the young players will undoubtedly learn by playing but whether all those lessons will be beneficial for their careers is another matter Well the fans need adjust and get real. I doubt the clubis going to change its stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splan80 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I admire/understand his reasoning in some ways, as it gives those who train hard an incentive to play. However, it also demotivates those on the outskirts (which is what Carlos did), which can be even worse when it contains a few of your better players. My main issue is when the team or players are not playing well then you need to instill into them that there are players breathing down your neck to have your position. Stop complacency setting in. At the minute we havent got that due to the ostracized players imo. Not all players can play or train every session, but it doesn't mean they can't be the best performers on your match day. Jos' job is to manage a squad effectively, so that the team performers consistently to the highest possible standards. I do t think we are doing this. Yes he's blooding youngsters, but then he'll not us his bench/subs when needed..... The team are lacking leadership and are as solid as a chocolate fireguard this season (having always had a softer underbelly to be fair, but that was offset by a high pace and press in our successful season) and using the same combinations repeating or swtich match after match is the definition of madness for me. In my mind when you have players of 'lesser ability's on the ball or situational awareness or movement etc, it's always best to engrained one way of playing so they know what's what both defensively and offensively. Jos changes his team's and tactics/formations to suit the opposition instead of suiting his own team. Therefore hindering our own abilities and I think that's why we sometimes look like we'll ship 3 or 4. It still annoys me that he'll try to play from the back (with the players we have) all game. Fair enough if we aren't being pressed. But if we are and the keeper hoofs it, why not go longer earlier Or go in behind. Mix it up for god's sake. Argh.... Players like Westwood and hutch. Hell even Jones may not have the best games, but they organise and take responsibility. I'm not saying our fortunes would change, but at least you'd know you've tried and not alienated players..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billyblack Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, splan80 said: I admire/understand his reasoning in some ways, as it gives those who train hard an incentive to play. However, it also demotivates those on the outskirts (which is what Carlos did), which can be even worse when it contains a few of your better players. My main issue is when the team or players are not playing well then you need to instill into them that there are players breathing down your neck to have your position. Stop complacency setting in. At the minute we havent got that due to the ostracized players imo. Not all players can play or train every session, but it doesn't mean they can't be the best performers on your match day. Jos' job is to manage a squad effectively, so that the team performers consistently to the highest possible standards. I do t think we are doing this. Yes he's blooding youngsters, but then he'll not us his bench/subs when needed..... The team are lacking leadership and are as solid as a chocolate fireguard this season (having always had a softer underbelly to be fair, but that was offset by a high pace and press in our successful season) and using the same combinations repeating or swtich match after match is the definition of madness for me. In my mind when you have players of 'lesser ability's on the ball or situational awareness or movement etc, it's always best to engrained one way of playing so they know what's what both defensively and offensively. Jos changes his team's and tactics/formations to suit the opposition instead of suiting his own team. Therefore hindering our own abilities and I think that's why we sometimes look like we'll ship 3 or 4. It still annoys me that he'll try to play from the back (with the players we have) all game. Fair enough if we aren't being pressed. But if we are and the keeper hoofs it, why not go longer earlier Or go in behind. Mix it up for god's sake. Argh.... Players like Westwood and hutch. Hell even Jones may not have the best games, but they organise and take responsibility. I'm not saying our fortunes would change, but at least you'd know you've tried and not alienated players..... And yet the fans hated Jones. Said he was rubbish. Should never play again etc etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ka58 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 3 hours ago, Socialist_Owl said: Hutch gets crocked off a stiff breeze. Spare me. I didn’t suggest playing him when he was injured though did I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strings Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 With Jos admitted current stance does this mean we have seen the last of Hooper and Lee even if they do recover before the end of the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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