@owlstalk Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022   The Mirror did a front page headline as Man United threatened to pull out of the FA cup - such was the huge scandal about it  But look at the people they asked about it 3  Owlstalk Shop    Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I want to hear more from "The IT Girl" on the subject of "it's all about money". 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickly Kevin Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, @owlstalk said:   The Mirror did a front page headline as Man United threatened to pull out of the FA cup - such was the huge scandal about it  But look at the people they asked about it  Haha yes!  The original Karen from Facebook angle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 It wasn't just a threat though. They ignored all those 'legends' and went through with their plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Think they were spot on though. Devalued FA Cup and its never been same since. IIRC Man U went to World Club Championship in Brazil to help with England 2006 World Cup bid which we never got anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said: Think they were spot on though. Devalued FA Cup and its never been same since. IIRC Man U went to World Club Championship in Brazil to help with England 2006 World Cup bid which we never got anyway. Â Backfired on them too. They went out there thinking they were going to be champions of the world, took one point from their first two games, Beckham got sent off and they ended up third in their group and on the early plane home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beighton Owl 87 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Semi Finals being held at Wembley devalues the competition for me. Should've stuck with Old Trafford and Villa Park. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helmut_rooster Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Don't think Man U were the ones to blame, it would have come from above, like people say world cup 2006 which they were never gonna give us anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopparberg Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 hours ago, sheffield_dave said: I want to hear more from "The IT Girl" on the subject of "it's all about money". I know - I bet she doesn’t even know a thing about computers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighworthOwl Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Someone follows Sid Lambert on Twitter  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fudge27 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Beighton Owl 87 said: Semi Finals being held at Wembley devalues the competition for me. Should've stuck with Old Trafford and Villa Park. Agree.  But I'd have semi finals at different neutral venues from a pool of 7 or 8 depending on the teams  MK Dons Tottenham Arsenal Man Utd Liverpool Villa Newcastle  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickly Kevin Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 11 hours ago, punkskaphil said: Â Backfired on them too. They went out there thinking they were going to be champions of the world, took one point from their first two games, Beckham got sent off and they ended up third in their group and on the early plane home. Â Didn't backfire. Â Ended up with a few weeks rest in Janauray to recharge the batteries. Â Imagine if one of their rivals got that and won the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkskaphil Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 14 hours ago, Quickly Kevin said: Â Didn't backfire. Â Ended up with a few weeks rest in Janauray to recharge the batteries. Â Imagine if one of their rivals got that and won the league. Â They managed to win the Premier League, the FA Cup and the Champions League the previous year, without needing to recharge mid-season. Â With the mid-season break and miserable CWC failure they only managed to retain their Premier League title and relinquish everything else they had. Â To me, that's a backfire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickly Kevin Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 38 minutes ago, punkskaphil said: Â They managed to win the Premier League, the FA Cup and the Champions League the previous year, without needing to recharge mid-season. Â With the mid-season break and miserable CWC failure they only managed to retain their Premier League title and relinquish everything else they had. Â To me, that's a backfire. Â They aren't going to win a treble every season. Â Strolling to another league title is no backfire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookieisdown Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Decline of the cup's importance may have been a little accelerated by this, but the decline had started before hand and was obviously driven by the switch to a champions League with multiple places for English clubs. In the 1970s and even 80s you'd sooner have won the cup than come second in the league. Plus relegation was less of an existential crisis.  Tracing incentive impacts needn't be particularly complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 On 14/07/2022 at 12:25, helmut_rooster said: Don't think Man U were the ones to blame, it would have come from above, like people say world cup 2006 which they were never gonna give us anyway. Yeah, my understanding is they were pressured to compete in the Club World Cup thingy by the FA, even it was at the expense of them withdrawing from the FA Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markg Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, SiJ said: Yeah, my understanding is they were pressured to compete in the Club World Cup thingy by the FA, even it was at the expense of them withdrawing from the FA Cup. That's how I remember it too. I seem to remember them talking about a bye into the next round or fielding a youth team or something and none of it was doable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Bach Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Simon Weston's Plenty of Fish profile photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickly Kevin Posted July 16, 2022 Share Posted July 16, 2022 15 hours ago, SiJ said: Yeah, my understanding is they were pressured to compete in the Club World Cup thingy by the FA, even it was at the expense of them withdrawing from the FA Cup.  It clashed with one round. No reason the game couldnt have been moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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