FinnishOwl Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Football is like the airline business. If you sum the profit or loss of all the companies in the world, you end up in the red. That's why it is nowadays a hobby for millionaires or billionaires around the world. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Don't let this article worry you or bother you We need to be positive and excited for a new season not bogged down with the politics of the club. 100% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: The people who own our stadium The players The agents The suppliers etc We owe the players and agents money that's summat I've not heard about ....youd imagine we wouldnt be able to sign anyone if we cant pay what we already have 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, Jim said: The Chairman has made mistakes while he’s been here. Everyone knows that perhaps including the Chairman himself? It’s not about the past now, it’s about the future. Easy and simple thing to say but it’s true. Now even the Chairman’s most harshest critics can’t say he hasn’t tried not to be as front of house as he once was? From the outside looking in he seems to be letting others take this role including the current manager. And it’s the current manager who is key in all of this. He has an air of a man who’s comfortable with the task at hand and he wants to create an environment where everyone including the supporters feel a part of things. There will be some particularly on here that will scrutinise everything he does with a fine tough comb but I believe if both we as supporters and the Chairman give this manage sufficient time then we’ll eventually start to move forward as a club. The current situation isn’t great but we are where we are and no matter how much we talk about the reasons why we are, things won’t start to change for the better until we start to look to the future and the potential prospect of changing things for the better. Well said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 There is no short term fix to losses unless we play kids and low earners, we wouldn’t be bottom of this financial league but we might be bottom of league 1 with lower crowds, lower revenue and a very disgruntled fan base. The loss of revenue would mean we’d probably end up loss making despite the savings made. We are where we are, we all know about the mistakes made and I think most of us were excited with the announcements of the players we just signed. Yes we do need to have a system which identifies and brings in young players with future transfer value but where one or two would feature regularly in our starting line up. That’s the only way to showcase players for resale value, and hopefully it wouldn’t impact our promotion chances too much. That’s where good management and coaching comes in. For me, this article is yesterday’s news and does nothing to galvanize everyone behind a crucial season ahead for us. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Daz said: There is no short term fix to losses unless we play kids and low earners, we wouldn’t be bottom of this financial league but we might be bottom of league 1 with lower crowds, lower revenue and a very disgruntled fan base. The loss of revenue would mean we’d probably end up loss making despite the savings made. We are where we are, we all know about the mistakes made and I think most of us were excited with the announcements of the players we just signed. Yes we do need to have a system which identifies and brings in young players with future transfer value but where one or two would feature regularly in our starting line up. That’s the only way to showcase players for resale value, and hopefully it wouldn’t impact our promotion chances too much. That’s where good management and coaching comes in. For me, this article is yesterday’s news and does nothing to galvanize everyone behind a crucial season ahead for us. Spot on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I do sometimes wonder what DC actually thinks about how it has gone since he bought us. I wonder how conversations go at the Chansiri family get togethers. Relative: ‘Hi Dejphon. How’s it going with that football club you own?’ Dej: ’Not too bad, not too bad. I’ve got the run rate of losses down from £500k per week to just a few million a year now. And we are super excited about the chance of getting back to the second tier from the third this year’ Relative: ’………oh’ (walks away). Dej: (silently cries while trying to force a smile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Poorly researched & dramatically flawed article…….. Only 185 teams in Europe?…. Yeah, right! Anyone would think the author, especially with his article’s timing, could be a supporter of a Wednesday hating local rival who’s just seen their best 2 players jilt them at the alter & run into the open arms of their nemesis! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack of Clubs Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Do we get a trophy for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punkyhorrors Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, casbahowl said: Poorly researched & dramatically flawed article…….. Only 185 teams in Europe?…. Yeah, right! Anyone would think the author, especially with his article’s timing, could be a supporter of a Wednesday hating local rival who’s just seen their best 2 players jilt them at the alter & run into the open arms of their nemesis! can tell dom on his jollys this week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie melua Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Learned something new today There's only 185 clubs in Europe. Always thought it was far more than that amount given there's 72 in the English league I wonder if the author of the article went to the Polly Toynbee school of reporting? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 56 minutes ago, torryowl said: We owe the players and agents money that's summat I've not heard about ....youd imagine we wouldnt be able to sign anyone if we cant pay what we already have FFS You think they play for free? You think we pay all agents fees, transfer fees, player wages and bonuses up front? Come on now 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Worth pointing out here that before hammering the writers or publication that it's not The Examiner OR the Journalists/Sports Writers that calculated who was worst, how many clubs there are etc etc It was information sourced from sports analysts Off The PItch here - https://offthepitch.com/a/danish-club-takes-top-spot-pitch-announce-top-financial-performers-2021 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 It is difficult to think of a worse financial nightmare than 2021 for a football club. However, those doing well on the pitch with limited resources have experienced a financial boost, typically due to UEFA prize money and increased success on the transfer market. But who are the most financially-sustainable clubs in European football? Brøndby IF are ranked number one, after a historic financial year covering European football and their first championship in 16 years. The Danish club, who have fostered players such as Michael and Brian Laudrup, Peter Schmeichel and Daniel Agger, had an EBITDA margin of 25 per cent, noticeably boosted by income from reaching the Europe League group stages this autumn. Additionally, the sale of Jesper Lindstrøm to Eintracht Frankfurt increased the bottom line to a net profit margin of 29 per cent, up from a significant deficit the year prior. This effectively pushed the club’s return on assets up to 24 per cent – which is the highest in Europe in 2021. Scandinavian success stories and old faces This year, three clubs from Scandinavia make it into the top 10 most financially-sustainable clubs in Europe, and all three became champions in their respective leagues, namely Brøndby IF in the Danish Superliga, Bodø/Glimt in the Norwegian Eliteserien and Malmö FF in the Swedish Allsvenskan. All three clubs’ financials cover the calendar year 2021, which is why the accounts are boosted by both title wins, and European football in all three cases. A couple of regulars from Off The Pitch’s celebration of financial performers from the year before are also in the top 10 in 2021, with Hibernian being among top 10 most sustainable clubs for the second year in a row. Eibar and Atalanta notch up three consecutive top spots, finishing tenth and fourth respectively. While Eibar just missed out on a return to LaLiga in the semi-finals of promotion play-offs, Atalanta also struggled in the recently-concluded season finishing eighth, thereby missing out on European football for the first time with manager Gasperini in charge. If anyone is curious as to the name of the worst financial performer - it’s Sheffield Wednesday. 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 1 minute ago, @owlstalk said: It is difficult to think of a worse financial nightmare than 2021 for a football club. However, those doing well on the pitch with limited resources have experienced a financial boost, typically due to UEFA prize money and increased success on the transfer market. But who are the most financially-sustainable clubs in European football? Brøndby IF are ranked number one, after a historic financial year covering European football and their first championship in 16 years. The Danish club, who have fostered players such as Michael and Brian Laudrup, Peter Schmeichel and Daniel Agger, had an EBITDA margin of 25 per cent, noticeably boosted by income from reaching the Europe League group stages this autumn. Additionally, the sale of Jesper Lindstrøm to Eintracht Frankfurt increased the bottom line to a net profit margin of 29 per cent, up from a significant deficit the year prior. This effectively pushed the club’s return on assets up to 24 per cent – which is the highest in Europe in 2021. Scandinavian success stories and old faces This year, three clubs from Scandinavia make it into the top 10 most financially-sustainable clubs in Europe, and all three became champions in their respective leagues, namely Brøndby IF in the Danish Superliga, Bodø/Glimt in the Norwegian Eliteserien and Malmö FF in the Swedish Allsvenskan. All three clubs’ financials cover the calendar year 2021, which is why the accounts are boosted by both title wins, and European football in all three cases. A couple of regulars from Off The Pitch’s celebration of financial performers from the year before are also in the top 10 in 2021, with Hibernian being among top 10 most sustainable clubs for the second year in a row. Eibar and Atalanta notch up three consecutive top spots, finishing tenth and fourth respectively. While Eibar just missed out on a return to LaLiga in the semi-finals of promotion play-offs, Atalanta also struggled in the recently-concluded season finishing eighth, thereby missing out on European football for the first time with manager Gasperini in charge. If anyone is curious as to the name of the worst financial performer - it’s Sheffield Wednesday. So, what is clear from the above that the key to financial success is for us to relocate to Scandinavia, ideally Denmark. Surely in the modern world this must be possible? Maybe declare the district of Hillsborough as part of Copenhagen or something? Come on DC. Let’s make this happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinmad Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 Let's get it on the honours board and move on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Worth pointing out here that before hammering the writers or publication that it's not The Examiner OR the Journalists/Sports Writers that calculated who was worst, how many clubs there are etc etc It was information sourced from sports analysts Off The PItch here - https://offthepitch.com/a/danish-club-takes-top-spot-pitch-announce-top-financial-performers-2021 Irrespective of who produced the article it was the Examiner & their journalist/sportswriter who reported verbatim, seemingly without fact checking the content, to a target audience! If one is proven to have misrepresented the facts surely the other is culpable too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotherham Owl Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 4 hours ago, jonnyowl said: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/sheffield-wednesday-named-europes-worst-24335104 Has DC learnt his lessons? Pretty damming on the way DC has run the club if you ask me! I sure Bury and Derby fans would disagree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogbob Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Rogers said: Must be Derby Got to be, given there current plight. How the hell did we survive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casbahowl Posted June 28, 2022 Share Posted June 28, 2022 I’m 14 minutes ago, casbahowl said: Irrespective of who produced the article it was the Examiner & their journalist/sportswriter who reported verbatim, seemingly without fact checking the content, to a target audience! If one is proven to have misrepresented the facts surely the other is culpable too! Also the misleading/plain wrong banner headline is entirely the work of the Examiner & it’s journalist/sports writer! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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