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Yes, EPL clubs can pay more wages. I suspect if they wanted him, they would pay the compensation (whatever that is set at for youth players) and continue his development with them. As others have said, the figures likely are a drop in the ocean. 

 

Not as clear cut as EPL clubs interested, so he's gone. Also the argument over the player assessing how much those clubs actually want him, the longer it goes, the more questions that raises.  

 

If he does go, we get a few quid I suppose, but importantly probably a decent sell on percentage. We cant assume every youth player is going to be a world beater and even if they are, still get a slide of the pie, if sold on. 

 

Be nice if he stayed and developed into a first team player over the next few years, but other arguably  more urgent priorities to focus on with the first team. 

 

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4 hours ago, fpowl said:

Where is everyone getting that cadamarteri is anywhere near the first team here 

 

I see loads of experts saying he’s going to be used on bench, be in the first team squad. 
 

best he’s going to get which will be great for him is he might train with the first team in preseason 

 

he’s a young talent, playing above his age groups and doing well with huge potential. That doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near ready for first team football yet 

 

certainly not in the next 12 months I’d even be surprised if he made a match day squad in the pizza cup

 

remember when we tried George Hirst who was doing the business in youth football and older then cadamateri he looked like a competition winner on the pitch nowhere near ready 

 

I'm with you; At harvest time bilberries are collected into huge wicker baskets. The baskets hold as much as 200.000 Bilberries but only one is called Georgie Best. We can but hope ! 

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It will be hard to keep him here and if we want to We will have to put together offer to rival that of Premier League clubs.

 

I'm sure that even if We could We wouldn't want to pay him what top League One player would be on and what He will probably get if He signs for a Premier League club.

 

We need to offer quicker route to first team football and better development than they can. Home, instead of numerous loans to clubs where will be often seen as a cheap squad filler.

 

As I said before, I like noises coming from the club and how We are handling this contract talks. He may choose to leave, but it seems that We learned from the past are been reasonable and doing whatever We can within the reason to keep him here.

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6 hours ago, fpowl said:

Where is everyone getting that cadamarteri is anywhere near the first team here 

 

I see loads of experts saying he’s going to be used on bench, be in the first team squad. 
 

best he’s going to get which will be great for him is he might train with the first team in preseason 

 

he’s a young talent, playing above his age groups and doing well with huge potential. That doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near ready for first team football yet 

 

certainly not in the next 12 months I’d even be surprised if he made a match day squad in the pizza cup

 

remember when we tried George Hirst who was doing the business in youth football and older then cadamateri he looked like a competition winner on the pitch nowhere near ready 

 

 Just imagine if Everton or Liverpool thought this way about Rooney, Fowler, and Owen.

Im not comparing this young man to them, but if we dont try we dont fine out.

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4 hours ago, sheffield_dave said:

 

We're not blessed with options upfront. I think it's an area of the team that needs a complete overhaul and at least 3 new faces compared to last year - and that's based on Gregory staying.

 

I don't think there's any harm at taking a look at Cadamarteri from a first team perspective and seeing what he's got.

 

I also don't think it's about pretending he's going to play 20+ games next year, but about showing the player that there's a pathway towards the first team - starting with training and maybe the odd minutes this year. This time next year he will be 18, and at that point first team football is going to be a real conversation for him, either with us (if god forbid we are still in this league) or via a loan move if he joins a Premiership academy now.

 

George Hirst is an interesting name to bring up. Most of his best development has happened in the league we're in right now, and according to some recent threads and posts on here lately, now looks a player many on here wish we could sign. 

 

When you say having a look, who do you mean 

I’m sure Darren Moore and his staff have seen and had the trusted reports from his coaches to be better placed to feel if cadamateri is anywhere near the first team squad 

 

for me we need 5 strikers at least 

we currently have 

Gregory 

windass 

sow 

 

I fully expect us to sign 2/3 strikers if we get an injury crisis we will see midfielders go up front before cadamateri. There’s one thing wanting to see a youth breakthrough but he’s nowhere near ready or he like my 6 year old Turning out for a pub team he’s just not physically developed yet 

 

I know a few posters on here watch the under 23s and 18s on here can any of them share their opinion on if they think cadamateri could even be considered to be a striker in our first team even if it’s 6th choice? 

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4 minutes ago, steelerian said:

 

 Just imagine if Everton or Liverpool thought this way about Rooney, Fowler, and Owen.

Im not comparing this young man to them, but if we dont try we dont fine out.

That’s exactly what you have fin though compared him. Otherwise what are you saying?

 

cadamateri is a player that will be playing premier league football and for England in the next 12-18 months so he should be in our first team squad 

 

If young players were ready to play men’s football you would regularly see 16/17 year olds playing in the football league on loan from the premier league and whilst this sometimes happens it’s rare 

 

most players go out on loan between the ages of 18-24 and there’s a reason for that, their body’s are more physicality developed to handle the men’s game 

 

yes you get a few that come through early but these are complete exceptions and the three you mentioned were global superstars one of them being England’s all time ever scorer and second most capped player 

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2 minutes ago, fpowl said:

yes you get a few that come through early but these are complete exceptions and the three you mentioned were global superstars one of them being England’s all time ever scorer and second most capped player 

 

And than there is elsewhere in the World like South America, Eastern Europe, etc... where players between age 17 and 20 play all the time. Many of them at level better than league One. We would be perfectly ok bringing couple of talented youngsters through at this level each season, but We don't have culture of playing and developing young players.

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7 hours ago, striker said:

It's a positive that we have good  young players attracting interest. Possibly would be more concerning if nobody interested in them, our academy shows continued signs of improving following years of neglect (pre dating Chansiri).

 

Hopefully he stays and we can see his development progress. 

It’s no positive at all if we lose him.

 

The academy has produced two players of note in the past 15 years. Liam Palmer and George Hirst that we lost for nothing.

 

we also lost Shaw for nothing.

 

If we lose Cadamarteri that seems to be the next decent one, we may as well follow the example of Brentford and close the academy and instead invest the funds in good scouting.

 

Total waste of money.

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7 hours ago, Manwë said:

 

I disagree, it shows (would show?) that clubs like West Ham can do what others have done successfully before them and hoover up anyone who can kick a ball just in case they turn out good.

 

I just looked at the income of West Ham, their last income figures were over £220m for the year.   They are the third best supported club in England and spending £1m on a player that may or may not come good is small change to them.  

West Ham, third best supported club in England?

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37 minutes ago, room0035 said:

I suspect he isnt asking for first team wages.

 

Wages he would get at a premiership club would be similar to what our first team players would get. If we want him we'd have to match what they'd be offering.

 

This why I think there is no point in us having an academy. As soon as they can sign a contract prem clubs will snap them up, and we'll get nothing for them.

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Darren Moore said Cadamarteri is a young man with a man's body. So may not be a problem chucking him in . And there's that old saying if he's good enough ,he's old enough.

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For the last 20 years I've thought just what is the point of clubs in our position having an academy at all.  United have consistently turned out future internationals and PL players (Lowton, Maguire, Walker, Calvert Lewin etc)  while we have produced almost no one and have made no money at all.

Unless this improves massively I'd say the money is better spent scouting lower league clubs and pinching their stars (like PL clubs do to the likes of us!!!).  I'm convinced that there are players who would do well for us in the division below and even in non league. Not every one would come off I know, but it's surely worth a try, there are young players who have been discarded by PL teams yet could make it in our league.

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2 hours ago, RedDragonOwl said:

 

Wages he would get at a premiership club would be similar to what our first team players would get. If we want him we'd have to match what they'd be offering.

 

This why I think there is no point in us having an academy. As soon as they can sign a contract prem clubs will snap them up, and we'll get nothing for them.

Other teams a lot lower down the league dont have the problems we do, I suspect its because we rarely plan ahead everything is last minute. We should have had a contract agreed and in place for when he hit 17 on the 9th May.

 

Look at Exeter they produce some good players, develop then the sell on for decent fees.

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3 hours ago, JemmoJemoJemmo said:

It’s no positive at all if we lose him.

 

The academy has produced two players of note in the past 15 years. Liam Palmer and George Hirst that we lost for nothing.

 

we also lost Shaw for nothing.

 

If we lose Cadamarteri that seems to be the next decent one, we may as well follow the example of Brentford and close the academy and instead invest the funds in good scouting.

 

Total waste of money.

 IF he does go then closing the academy makes sense to me. Literally no point in developing players for other clubs to snap up for a fraction of their potential. 

 

Really up against it being a league one club. 

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I get the calls to close the academy etc and fully get that football isn't fair when it comes to EPL clubs being allowed to hoover up all the talent they want. 

 

However, as a community club, proud that we have a youth system and give opportunities to lads from the area and further afield. 

 

I also couldn't stomach surrendering those young footballers in Sheffield to the dark side, if we didn't have an academy. 

 

If he goes, he goes (I don't think he will BTW), not every academy player is going to make it in the first team, others contribute financially through compensation and money from sell on fees, which can be reinvested in the next generation.

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