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20 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

The 2015-17 team would batter the 1991-93 team. The game changed so much in terms of fitness in those 25 years, even the skill levels improved massively as the pitches and training regimes improved.

 

Funnily enough, Carlton Palmer himself is probably the only one of that 1991-93 team with a similar level of fitness to modern players, which is why he stood out so much in the 90s.

Yes players in the 90s were useless compared to todays. There’s no way defenders of that era like Nilsson, Gary Kelly or Irwin would be able to keep up with the likes of Ross Wallace. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said:

I don’t think they’d beat them, just that the team finishing 3rd back then is probably of the level of the teams finishing 15-17th now. Our 2017 team would have finished in the bottom 3 the year after without reinforcements 

 

The Leeds United team that won the league in 92 or the Manchester United team that won the league in 93 would struggle not to get relegated out of the Championship these days. The game has changed so much in terms of fitness, and (to a lesser extent, but still significantly) tactics and skill. Plus the introduction of foreign players to the league has raised the standard massively.

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Bannan playing in the early to mid 90s would have spent the entire time in the top tier of English football. 

As would have the likes of Hooper, Rhodes and Lees. 

The game has moved on incredibly worldwide, with a huge influx of players from countries you would have lauged at. 

Division 1 top scorer a Winger from Egypt tied with a forward from South Korea people would assume you were mad. 

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5 minutes ago, 83owl said:

Yes players in the 90s were useless compared to todays. There’s no way defenders of that era like Nilsson, Gary Kelly or Irwin would be able to keep up with the likes of Ross Wallace. 
 

 

 

I'm not such an equivalent defender to Gary Kelly gets in a Premier League team these days with competition from foreign players. Certainly not a top half side like Leeds.

 

And, some of the wingers that Nilsson couldn't keep up with in, say, 91/92 include:

 

Rick Holden (lost 3-0 to Oldham)

Dane Whitehouse (lost 2-0 & 3-1 to Sheffield United)

Rob Ullahorne (lost 1-0 to Norwich)

Paul Mortimer (lost 3-2 to Villa)

Mickey Bennett (lost 2-1 to Wimbledon)

 

Is Ross Wallace really so much worse than players like these?

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In that era where the physical level was lower and the likes of Magilton were regulars, Bannan would have easily been premier league level and would have done a similar job to Sheridan next to CP imo, with his passing ability and the odd goal. If anything he probably covers more ground than Sheridan did too, even in his 30's.

 

Sheridan would not have worked out as well without Palmers legs covering for him, he had some great games but had a difficult season in division 2 at times where games could pass him by, most people who went to games then would agree.

Palmer was always consistent and Bb is consistent too imo.

 

Bb never struggled in tier 2, he was an amazing signing so thats garbage, i loved having CP in our team, even though technically he was average no midfield ever dominated with him there, but his statement is disrespectful and out of context.

 

Comparing Bb to him is pointless, they would compliment each other like Sheridan did. As for not getting a kick against him so what, that probably happened to most players at one time😁

 

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6 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

I'm not such an equivalent defender to Gary Kelly gets in a Premier League team these days with competition from foreign players. Certainly not a top half side like Leeds.

 

And, some of the wingers that Nilsson couldn't keep up with in, say, 91/92 include:

 

Rick Holden (lost 3-0 to Oldham)

Dane Whitehouse (lost 2-0 & 3-1 to Sheffield United)

Rob Ullahorne (lost 1-0 to Norwich)

Paul Mortimer (lost 3-2 to Villa)

Mickey Bennett (lost 2-1 to Wimbledon)

 

Is Ross Wallace really so much worse than players like these?

Spot on, a lot of British players who are spending their careers at Championship level would have been Premier League equivalent in the early 90s, the Influx of foreign players is the main reason as their standards from grass roots have improved. 

Turkey a joke in the 80s now a respected International side, same as the African sides. 

 

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53 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

The 2015-17 team would batter the 1991-93 team. The game changed so much in terms of fitness in those 25 years, even the skill levels improved massively as the pitches and training regimes improved.

 

Funnily enough, Carlton Palmer himself is probably the only one of that 1991-93 team with a similar level of fitness to modern players, which is why he stood out so much in the 90s.

Hirst and Bright up against Loovens and Lees 

90's team would be declaring FFS.....

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He had a great playing career but has been next to invisible afterwards. Without spouting nonsense now and again to get comments, he would have no place at all in the game. 

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13 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

How do you reckon Hirst and Bright would get on against Don Megson, Gerry Young and Wilf Smith?

that's 3 on 2!

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Some players from the past would struggle in today's game...but then they would probably be very different players to what they were in say the 90s.

 

A lot of the great keepers of would struggle these days with the emphasis on playing out from the back.

 

Similarly though, I'm not sure the best defenders in the world right now are challenged as much. So few out and out strikers playing. More inside forwards.

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4 hours ago, striker said:

Two very different players and two very different eras of football.

 

Today's game is much faster, technical ability  improved all round and more physically demanding. Maybe Carlton's athleticism would be diminished in the modern game for for example?

 

Why feel the need to make a comparison? If there was a need, surely the comparison would be between Bannan and Sheridan?

 

In any event, players can only excel in the time period they play in, can't time travel. Both fondly thought of by fans, seems a pointless and  potentially divisive comment.

 Carlton is talking about opposing BB. All true above. Sheridan a better comparator.
BB mostly looks good in the team except when he is marked out of games as  Carlton Palmer is hinting at. SWFC have declined while he has been in the team in the last few years so either the others are so poor they cannot support him or he is not quite good enough to win sufficient matches in his effects on forward play.
He has few defensive qualities. 

That reverse pass to Johnson in the second leg was very good but he generally is not setting up such killer attacking play. Good of him to feel so committed of course. 

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Like CP but he is chatting nonsense.

 

Bannan didn't struggle in Championship plus comparing players from different eras is a pointless conversation. 

 

Carlton was great for us. Bannan was/is great for us.

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