We can't have another Hirst or Waddle till we're in the Premier League

[@owlstalk]

Just been looking through the favourite players thread and seeing so much love (of course) for Hirst, Waddle, DiCanio and co.

The greatest players in our lifetime pretty much

But if you think about it, even if we did stumble upon a player of such talent and skill and excitement we'd simply not be able to keep hold of them in this league or the one above. 

We'd discover them, they'd have a cracking half a season and then clubs would smash irresistible bids in that we couldn't turn down and even if Channers said "NOT FOR SALE" he'd have to let them go as they'd want to go on and upwards into the Premier League etc

I think the best we can hope for is 6 to 9 months of a top top player performing magic - until we're up in the top flight

[Screen Door Slams]

Sadly true..............................look how little the blunts got out of Kyle Walker and Dominic Calvert-Lewin  who they developed through the ranks.

[CircleSeven]

Yep. The best we can hope for is to find a Scott Twine or Ross Stewart while in L1. Frankly I’d settle for that right now though even if we sold them. 

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

We'd discover them, they'd have a cracking half a season and then clubs would smash irresistible bids in that we couldn't turn down and even if Channers said "NOT FOR SALE" he'd have to let them go as they'd want to go on and upwards into the Premier League etc

 

[paulrs]

Probably true of any team outside the top flight though.

 

Fair to say that when we’ve had talented players of a good age that developed a great reputation here (Brunt, Whelan, Bougherra, Antonio) they didn’t stick around for long once they started courting attention. 
 

And it’s just our luck that when we did manage to keep hold of quality players who were strongly linked with moves away, it usually ends badly. I’m thinking Simek (bad injury), Lee (bad injury), Forestieri (various fitness and attitude problems). 
 

A lesson maybe why it’s often better to sell 

[royalowlisback]

That's right cheered me up - thanks.

[The coach]

So what..that’s where we are in the food chain..just like about 75 other clubs

[matthefish2002]

9 minutes ago, paulrs said:

Probably true of any team outside the top flight though.

 

 

True also of most clubs in the Premier League.

Wednesday would never have been able to hold on to David Hirst in modern football if Man U were interested when they bidded for him in the early 90s. 

[GermanBird]

For me it's currently good enough to find and develop those players as long as we get anything out of it.

- money for the sale

- some (or many) points or even promotions while they play for us

- enhancement of our reputation as the home club of many England legends

 

[Rogers]

We are going to have crap players forever 

[Manwë]

The Club is a shambles.  The only positive are the fans.

 

If we found the next Hirst, Waddle, di Canio, they'd be off in a shot.  But it's like worrying about a problem like where to moor your superyacht, when you don't own a superyacht.  We're not developing the youngsters that are going on to be worth £Ms.  The ones in memory went for a total of under £1m for three of them (Hirst, Shaw, Urhoghide).

We don't produce enough youngsters, we don't produce of the quality needed, and we handle badly any contract or fee negotiations that we can't even buy and sell our way out.

 

We've underinvested in the youth setup right back the Allen days.  The game moved on, we didn't.  United next door did move on, and it has paid massive dividends for them.  

[ZicoSterland2]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

Just been looking through the favourite players thread and seeing so much love (of course) for Hirst, Waddle, DiCanio and co.

The greatest players in our lifetime pretty much

But if you think about it, even if we did stumble upon a player of such talent and skill and excitement we'd simply not be able to keep hold of them in this league or the one above. 

We'd discover them, they'd have a cracking half a season and then clubs would smash irresistible bids in that we couldn't turn down and even if Channers said "NOT FOR SALE" he'd have to let them go as they'd want to go on and upwards into the Premier League etc

I think the best we can hope for is 6 to 9 months of a top top player performing magic - until we're up in the top flight

Even then players of Waddle's and Hirst's ability would be snapped up by the big 6 (really the big 4 as Spurs and Arsenal can't compete with the 2 Manc club's , Chelsea and Liverpool). 

[Guest DoesJackHunt]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

Just been looking through the favourite players thread and seeing so much love (of course) for Hirst, Waddle, DiCanio and co.

The greatest players in our lifetime pretty much

But if you think about it, even if we did stumble upon a player of such talent and skill and excitement we'd simply not be able to keep hold of them in this league or the one above. 

We'd discover them, they'd have a cracking half a season and then clubs would smash irresistible bids in that we couldn't turn down and even if Channers said "NOT FOR SALE" he'd have to let them go as they'd want to go on and upwards into the Premier League etc

I think the best we can hope for is 6 to 9 months of a top top player performing magic - until we're up in the top flight

Nice one, now where did I put those razor blades.

 

[HopefulOwl]

39 minutes ago, Manwë said:

The Club is a shambles.  The only positive are the fans.

 

If we found the next Hirst, Waddle, di Canio, they'd be off in a shot.  But it's like worrying about a problem like where to moor your superyacht, when you don't own a superyacht.  We're not developing the youngsters that are going on to be worth £Ms.  The ones in memory went for a total of under £1m for three of them (Hirst, Shaw, Urhoghide).

We don't produce enough youngsters, we don't produce of the quality needed, and we handle badly any contract or fee negotiations that we can't even buy and sell our way out.

 

We've underinvested in the youth setup right back the Allen days.  The game moved on, we didn't.  United next door did move on, and it has paid massive dividends for them.  

 

[Sham67]

I’d settle for the next Terry Curran at the moment.  The player that is, not the batshit mental idiot he’s become.

[83owl]

We are a million miles away from bringing through the next Ian Nolan never mind a Hirst or waddle.

[onlyonedavidhirst]

2 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

Just been looking through the favourite players thread and seeing so much love (of course) for Hirst, Waddle, DiCanio and co.

The greatest players in our lifetime pretty much

But if you think about it, even if we did stumble upon a player of such talent and skill and excitement we'd simply not be able to keep hold of them in this league or the one above. 

We'd discover them, they'd have a cracking half a season and then clubs would smash irresistible bids in that we couldn't turn down and even if Channers said "NOT FOR SALE" he'd have to let them go as they'd want to go on and upwards into the Premier League etc

I think the best we can hope for is 6 to 9 months of a top top player performing magic - until we're up in the top flight

Whilst incredibly unlikely, I'll suggest there's still a remote chance. I'll use Antonio as the example. His stock has risen gradually over the years. If we'd have had him in the Carlos era he may have made the difference and gone up with us. He went to Forest because at that time they were showing more ambition. Then he went to West Ham for Premiership football. It's unlikely but not impossible that  if we had have improved and made those steps up at the same time then he'd have stayed with us. To some extent the same was true of Whelan and Brunt in that they both wanted Premiership football and would probably have stopped if they'd have been promoted with us. 

[arithmetic]

I mean, you’d still take it, wouldn’t you? 6-9 months of Hirst-level quality on the pitch followed by a decent transfer fee? Nice problem to have.

[@owlstalk]

3 minutes ago, arithmetic said:

I mean, you’d still take it, wouldn’t you? 6-9 months of Hirst-level quality on the pitch followed by a decent transfer fee? Nice problem to have.

Oh yes most definitely

[@owlstalk]

1 hour ago, Swfcsi said:

You never saw jay Bothroyd play did you

 

 

Did ANYONE?