Geedee Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 7 hours ago, SDS Owl said: To be fair your post about redevelopment contains no context. Redevelop the West Stand to a 10k/12k capacity, how? You talk about a 40k/45k capacity so a quarter of the crowd in the West stand? Rebuild the Kop…..Design? Space? Surely no one believes we could block one of the main roads into the city are they? Redevelop the North when it literally backs on the peoples homes. So how does that work? Again, just redevelop the South without any context? Parking is horrific. When did you last try and park at Hillsborough? As for public transport, have you tried the catch the one tram every 20 minutes after a decently attended game recently? The 2018 world cup plan produced a 40 k plus ground , why can't that be used/adapted to our needs Parking is not horrific, I have posted on this many times , I have parked a car for free within a few minutes walk of Hillsborough at the vast majority big match games for more than 40 years. I can't comment about trams but surely if there is the demand can't they just put a few more on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 8 hours ago, Five Archers said: That’s the only way to do the kop but have it in 2 tiers. West would have to be done from scratch too, North needs a dedicated pointing area and we need heated seats in the South. cost? Dunno and no idea if cheaper than moving away We can't move away the Chinese chippy would go bust and that just wouldn't do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daryl Catpiss Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 14 hours ago, Utah Owl said: Well for a football Stadium I would define good as follows: 1. Good transport links, road, rail, tram busses etc. 2. Adequate parking 3. Adequate facilities on stadium concourses 4. Decent size seats and legroom 5. Uninterrupted views of the pitch no matter where you are sat 6. Plenty to do in vicinity of ground before and after game 7. Alternative uses for stadium and facilities when not in use for football Number 7 is vital, non match day income in this day and age can go a loooong way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Archers Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: We can't move away the Chinese chippy would go bust and that just wouldn't do. Best argument for staying put ever 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animis Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Article below from Friday. Interesting how clubs now view fairly recent facilities as 'past it'; facilities developed after our last work on the South Stand. Consultants drafted in as Manchester United starts to look at Old Trafford revamp By Dave Rogers14 April 2022 Industry sources say Laing O’Rourke would be favourite if club decided on complete rebuild. The first consultants working on the redevelopment of Manchester United’s Old Trafford stadium have been announced with Tottenham Hotspur Stadium architect Populous helping draw up the masterplan. The firm has teamed up with US project manager Legends which is currently working on the redevelopment of Liverpool’s Anfield Road stand. Building also understands that WSP is part of the project team with the club saying “work will begin immediately on developing options for Old Trafford and studying their feasibility, with the aim of significantly enhancing the fan experience”. The last major work at Old Trafford was completed more than 15 years ago. It added: “Fans will be at the heart of the process, starting with a meeting between the consultants and the Manchester United Fans’ Advisory Board later this month.” A complete rebuild is the most drastic of three options understood to being considered by the club’s hierarchy. If United decide to rebuild their Old Trafford ground, then Laing O’Rourke is being tipped by industry insiders as the team to beat. Any rebuild, understood to be being given serious thought by the record Premier League champions, could only be done by a handful of firms – with industry sources suggesting O’Rourke would be the only one prepared to carry out the work under a fixed price. Other firms that have built stadia in the past few years include Mace which rebuilt Tottenham Hotspur’s ground – widely considered to be the benchmark UK stadium – and Sir Robert McAlpine which completed the 2012 Olympic stadium and Arsenal’s Emirates stadium six years earlier. The only other firm which has completed a stadium the size of any rebuild required at Old Trafford is Multiplex which finally completed Wembley stadium in 2007. One source said: “Multiplex doesn’t have a presence in Manchester. It’s not likely you’ll see them do fixed price stadia in the UK.” Another added: “I would say this [Old Trafford] is a Laing O’Rourke job. They will be 100% the favourites. I think McAlpine would only do it on a construction management. [If it was let as a CM] then Mace would be in the mix too.” McAlpine has a strong regional presence across the North-west but another source said: “I’m not sure about Mace. They’re not as strong there as they are in London.” Laing O’Rourke has worked at Old Trafford before, adding 7,900 seats to the capacity by filling in the ground’s north-west and north-east corners in the mid-2000s. O’Rourke is building a new ground for Everton at Bramley Dock in Liverpool with the stadium set to open in time for the start of the 2024/25 season. The firm is also believed to be looking at expanding Leicester City’s King Power Stadium by 8,000 seats to bring capacity up to 40,000. It is understood O’Rourke’s chairman and chief executive Ray O’Rourke was closely involved in negotiations with Everton chairman Bill Kenwright over the deal with O’Rourke, who is due to become non-executive chairman this September, likely to be involved in any meetings with United’s owners, the Florida-based Glazer family. Everton’s new ground is set to be just under 53,000 and has been designed by US firm Meis Architects along with UK practice Pattern. It is likely to be finished before any work at Old Trafford begins in earnest solving any potential conflicts over which team O’Rourke could put on the job. One option thought to be on the table is a complete rebuild of the ground. Other options being considered by United include revamping and enlarging the South Stand, also known as the Sir Bobby Charlton Stand. This would bring other potential bidders into the mix including Buckingham, the firm behind the rebuild of Liverpool’s Anfield Road end, McLaren, which has completed new training grounds for Leicester City and Spurs, and McLaughlin & Harvey which is completing work on the main athletics stadium that will be used at this summer’s Commonwealth Games in Birmingham. Another option Manchester United is believed to be considering is to leave the stadium structurally intact but conduct a comprehensive revamp of spectator and corporate areas on all four sides. Any new stadium will put capacity above 80,000 – up from the current 75,000 – while redeveloping the South Stand would take capacity into the 80,000s as well. While the stadium is one of the best-known in world football, it is also much older than many of United’s rivals’ grounds, with parts dating back to 1909 when the club first moved in. One problem with a complete rebuild is where United would play their home games – Tottenham used Wembley stadium – with a groundshare with city rivals Manchester City at the Etihad, also built by Laing O’Rourke, deemed a non-starter. Any temporary stadium is unlikely to have a capacity of more than 30,000. Meanwhile, architect KSS, the firm behind the Anfield Road stand redevelopment, has been asked to draw up a masterplan for the club’s training facilities that will include an expanded, state-of-the-art facility for the men’s, women’s and academy teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorrallOwl17 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 If we got a venue anything like MK, i know for a fact i'd be a fat c**t within 3 months. Nando's, Pizza Express, TGI Friday's, Mcdonalds, KFC all outside the ground. I'd be obese before christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, WorrallOwl17 said: If we got a venue anything like MK, i know for a fact i'd be a fat c**t within 3 months. Nando's, Pizza Express, TGI Friday's, Mcdonalds, KFC all outside the ground. I'd be obese before christmas On flip side it is 2 mins walk from a massive Fitness First gym and also a Ninja Warrior. I went to the latter with my kids a few weeks ago and have never felt as old and as unfit in my life. The MK stadium is excellent as has been said here. It is really well designed, has a hotel as part of it and in particular is really good for family areas / kids and away fans. We have a magical old ground but it will be forever tainted by the disaster - we need to move on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTLiam Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 16/04/2022 at 17:43, @owlstalk said: I'd love it. we'd have it quite full most weeks and create a far better atmosphere than Hillsborough. It's a yes from me, although i'm not from Sheffield so don't have the same love affection towards Hillsborough as someone from the town would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HopefulOwl Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Said it before and still stand by it but we need this in the future..... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck Rogers Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Can't we just play at Bramall Lane for a few seasons while Hillsborough is thoroughly redeveloped? It's our old ground after all. My only issue with staying at Hillsborough is the name. Like it or not, type it into Google, click on the images and see what comes up. We as fans can put it behind us but it's forever tainted us now. If we stay and redevelop, at least change the name to Owlerton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedee Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Buck Rogers said: Can't we just play at Bramall Lane for a few seasons while Hillsborough is thoroughly redeveloped? It's our old ground after all. My only issue with staying at Hillsborough is the name. Like it or not, type it into Google, click on the images and see what comes up. We as fans can put it behind us but it's forever tainted us now. If we stay and redevelop, at least change the name to Owlerton. Very happy to be have our stadium called Owlerton. But I think the Hillsborough disaster for most is ancient history it certainly will be within a couple of decades Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodytheowl Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 This is my favourite of the new flatpack stadiums tbf, and I've only been when there were only seats in the bottom tier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedee Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 55 minutes ago, HopefulOwl said: Said it before and still stand by it but we need this in the future..... One vote away from happening such a shame. Could this be done in stages so we did not need to move to a temporary stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alb1owl Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Geedee said: I can't comment about trams but surely if there is the demand can't they just put a few more on. Slightly off topic, but relevant still, is that it’s a sport not to pay for the tram. Why would stagecoach put on more free travel for thousands of scroungers? Transport to the ground is actually great, busses, trams and car all viable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4evaowl Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, HopefulOwl said: Said it before and still stand by it but we need this in the future..... Wonder how much this would cost at today’s prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedee Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, 4evaowl said: Wonder how much this would cost at today’s prices? I dont know but there is a constant reference on here to cheap flat pack designs , this imo looks great. A question is there anybody who would actually be unhappy staying at Hillsborough if the stadium looked like this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geedee Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 12 minutes ago, Alb1owl said: Slightly off topic, but relevant still, is that it’s a sport not to pay for the tram. Why would stagecoach put on more free travel for thousands of scroungers? Transport to the ground is actually great, busses, trams and car all viable. I agree I have no idea why anybody would expect transport to a professional sporting event to be free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GermanBird Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 minute ago, Geedee said: I agree I have no idea why anybody would expect transport to a professional sporting event to be free. Here in Germany many tickets come with free transport within town (that's not just football, but also concerts, trade fairs, etc) I'm not sure, who pays for them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoesJackHunt Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 yes we should build a new stadium like that in my opinion. Hillsborough is a dump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 1 hour ago, HopefulOwl said: Said it before and still stand by it but we need this in the future..... That's already many years old and doesn't solve all the issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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