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1 hour ago, yeadonowl said:

The striking recruitment as a whole was generally very poor 

 

We we’re aware of the severity of Windass injury yet recruited a central striker who hasn’t really scored which ever league he’s played in, a random wide man from Holland and a half fit player from Belguim

 

Gregory on paper was a useful addition but in reality was never going to play 40 games a season

 

We then compound the errors by bringing in another player in January whose injury record is poor

 

Whichever division we play in next season we need a complete overhaul of the striking department 

Think the problem in trying to bring in decent strikers is the fact we couldn't spend anything on a transfer fee. We could only bring in players working to the EFL guidelines/parameters so this would have impacted the level of player we brought in.

 

When the window opens again, be interesting to see who we target/bring in with being able to go about transfers in without restrictions.

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6 minutes ago, Doghouse Daz said:

Gregory/Windass partnership would have topped the league. As evident in how they turned around the MK match. Just hope he's fully fit if we get in the playoffs. 

How could he possibly be fully fit?

 

Maybe just fit enough to get on the bench at a push.

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1 hour ago, paulrs said:


 

You must be the first person I’ve ever seen on owlstalk use the adjective  ‘lucky’ when referring to Wednesday’s injury situation

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We've took 31 points from 12 games with an injury crisis, 42 from 29 without.

 

Without the injury crisis, we'd be in 12th with 59 points based on that form.

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1 minute ago, royalowlisback said:

Look at the minutes he has played, how Moore likes to get 'volume' in players legs etc, a cameo off the bench is about the most we could hope for.

 

That'll do for me then. Play off final, on as sub, remake of the MK match, assist Gregory and last minute winner. 

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4 hours ago, paulrs said:

The thread about Moore's future, and the impact of the injuries he's had to cope with, got me thinking about how much of a loss Windass in particular has been this season. I think it's fair to say that in pre-season most fans saw him as a key man - possibly THE key man - this year. So to lose him for virtually the whole season has been a hammer blow.

Even more so when you consider that if we beat MK and win our game in hand we in theory could be 4 points off automatic. Would Windass alone have closed that gap and had us tussling for the title with Wigan? I genuinely believe he would.

 

One stat I looked at was games missed by our rivals' key strikers.
Keane (Wigan) - 2 league games missed this season
Twine (MK) - 1
Smith (Rotherham) - 1
Hardie (Plymouth) - 7
Stewart (Sunderland) - 0
Vokes (Wycombe) - 3
Taylor (Oxford) - 2
Bonne (Ipswich) - 3
Windass (Sheff Wed) - 34

So Windass alone has missed double the number of games missed by the eight other top strikers put together. Incredible. Even Lee Gregory has missed 10, which again is more than any other the others.

This to me starts to look like the single biggest factor that has kept us out of the automatic promotion race. It seems perfectly reasonable that, had Windass played 40 games like his contemporaries, the additional goals he'd have scored would have secured us the handful of extra points we'd have needed to be looking at an automatic promotion place. After all, he's score 4 in 3+4 appearances when he has played and 12 in 41 starts at championship level for the club. 

So yes we can analyse Moore's team tinkering especially in the early part of the season, and the injuries we had at centre half, and all the late goals and set-piece goals and chances missed, but for me this is the single biggest factor that might cost us promotion. A fit Windass, playing 35-40 games, and we'd be top 2 now I'm sure of it.

I totally agree with this,said it all season,our forwards have not scored no where near enough.

Windass was key..Or a forward who could bag us 20 goals in a poor division.. 

UTO

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11 minutes ago, DIPPS_S.W.F.C said:

I totally agree with this,said it all season,our forwards have not scored no where near enough.

Windass was key..Or a forward who could bag us 20 goals in a poor division.. 

UTO

But what's to say that any of our other strikers couldn't have scored 20, if given enough gametime and backing.

Strikers play on form and confidence, dropping them every time they score doesn't work.

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1 minute ago, Tewkesbury said:

But what's to say that any of our other strikers couldn't have scored 20, if given enough gametime and backing.

Strikers play on form and confidence, dropping them every time they score doesn't work.

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I think a fully fit Windass would be there or there abouts,I get the dropping  players confidence thing,and yep Moore should have just stuck with Berihino and Gregory these last few games instead of trying to force NML in there,think he was looking at the pace of him,Hunt and Johnson playing off of Gregory but,didnt really work.Berhino came on and the whole team looked alot more balanced and structured...

UTO

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4 hours ago, paulrs said:

The thread about Moore's future, and the impact of the injuries he's had to cope with, got me thinking about how much of a loss Windass in particular has been this season. I think it's fair to say that in pre-season most fans saw him as a key man - possibly THE key man - this year. So to lose him for virtually the whole season has been a hammer blow.

Even more so when you consider that if we beat MK and win our game in hand we in theory could be 4 points off automatic. Would Windass alone have closed that gap and had us tussling for the title with Wigan? I genuinely believe he would.

 

One stat I looked at was games missed by our rivals' key strikers.
Keane (Wigan) - 2 league games missed this season
Twine (MK) - 1
Smith (Rotherham) - 1
Hardie (Plymouth) - 7
Stewart (Sunderland) - 0
Vokes (Wycombe) - 3
Taylor (Oxford) - 2
Bonne (Ipswich) - 3
Windass (Sheff Wed) - 34

So Windass alone has missed double the number of games missed by the eight other top strikers put together. Incredible. Even Lee Gregory has missed 10, which again is more than any other the others.

This to me starts to look like the single biggest factor that has kept us out of the automatic promotion race. It seems perfectly reasonable that, had Windass played 40 games like his contemporaries, the additional goals he'd have scored would have secured us the handful of extra points we'd have needed to be looking at an automatic promotion place. After all, he's score 4 in 3+4 appearances when he has played and 12 in 41 starts at championship level for the club. 

So yes we can analyse Moore's team tinkering especially in the early part of the season, and the injuries we had at centre half, and all the late goals and set-piece goals and chances missed, but for me this is the single biggest factor that might cost us promotion. A fit Windass, playing 35-40 games, and we'd be top 2 now I'm sure of it.

Good post mate and I agree with your points. I genuinely believe the centre half issue has also cost us big. 19 points big. Yes, we conceded against Bolton and the law of averages says we will always concede some late goals (as well as score them). But, since we have had Storey and Hutch, then latterly Dean eg proper defenders, we have stopped this dramatically. I think a full season with a defence of their calibre, also adds 10 points to the tally.

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Genuinely forgot about John-Jules, haven’t had that happen in years - even Urby I never forgot about, although tbf that was more to do with the absolute mafia-level mystery surrounding his signing

lol

 

Where’s TJ-J up to these days, anyone know? Probably about 34 by now

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Windass missing majority of the season has been a huge blow that is for sure. 
 

When he has briefly been in the team, has shown what he is capable of producing. Will he be back before season is done?

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9 hours ago, yeadonowl said:

The striking recruitment as a whole was generally very poor 

 

We we’re aware of the severity of Windass injury yet recruited a central striker who hasn’t really scored which ever league he’s played in, a random wide man from Holland and a half fit player from Belguim

 

Gregory on paper was a useful addition but in reality was never going to play 40 games a season

 

We then compound the errors by bringing in another player in January whose injury record is poor

 

Whichever division we play in next season we need a complete overhaul of the striking department 

Trouble is we were shopping in basement bargains. Strikers cost money and DCs antics meant we could not pay a transfer fee. Its fair to say with money to spend we would have attracted decent strikers. 

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10 hours ago, paulrs said:

The thread about Moore's future, and the impact of the injuries he's had to cope with, got me thinking about how much of a loss Windass in particular has been this season. I think it's fair to say that in pre-season most fans saw him as a key man - possibly THE key man - this year. So to lose him for virtually the whole season has been a hammer blow.

Even more so when you consider that if we beat MK and win our game in hand we in theory could be 4 points off automatic. Would Windass alone have closed that gap and had us tussling for the title with Wigan? I genuinely believe he would.

 

One stat I looked at was games missed by our rivals' key strikers.
Keane (Wigan) - 2 league games missed this season
Twine (MK) - 1
Smith (Rotherham) - 1
Hardie (Plymouth) - 7
Stewart (Sunderland) - 0
Vokes (Wycombe) - 3
Taylor (Oxford) - 2
Bonne (Ipswich) - 3
Windass (Sheff Wed) - 34
 

 

Good point and good list, but for the sake of accuracy/pedantry I should point out that Wigan's key striker is Charlie Wyke not Will Keane and he's missed 25 matches (basically every game since mid-November) and they are top of the league.

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It's an interesting post, there's no doubt we would have been in a better position if Windass had been available more often.

 

It's been a really bad season for injuries, and repeat injuries, and players who seem to break down on their first contact with Hillsborough.

 

Whether it's bad luck, the training ground curse or buying from bargain bins is beyond me.

 

We've had almost a whole season now, and endless discussion on here about waiting for the team to gel and to click and DM's tinkering but slowly and surely we've built a fairly solid and predictable defense and midfield.

 

Upfront though is a different matter, endlessly searching for that strike partnership, but if Windass had been available more then I think the jigsaw would have been complete and we'd be looking at an automatic promotion push now.

 

But having said all that, when I read the thread title I was expecting it to be about a new J K Rowling book.

 

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47 minutes ago, Willie Henderson said:

It's an interesting post, there's no doubt we would have been in a better position if Windass had been available more often.

 

It's been a really bad season for injuries, and repeat injuries, and players who seem to break down on their first contact with Hillsborough.

 

Whether it's bad luck, the training ground curse or buying from bargain bins is beyond me.

 

We've had almost a whole season now, and endless discussion on here about waiting for the team to gel and to click and DM's tinkering but slowly and surely we've built a fairly solid and predictable defense and midfield.

 

Upfront though is a different matter, endlessly searching for that strike partnership, but if Windass had been available more then I think the jigsaw would have been complete and we'd be looking at an automatic promotion push now.

 

But having said all that, when I read the thread title I was expecting it to be about a new J K Rowling book.

 

The thing is, there's never been a search for a strike partnership.

 

It's always been Gregory and Windass.

 

Nobody else ever been considered as a long term striker, they're just temporarily filling in till these two can play together.

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