striker Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Yes, stays for me. I've seen enough progress to give him more time. More importantly, I remember the mess Chansiri has made appointing managers before. Our owner is not an easy person to work for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 I’d stick with him. Give him another summer to shake his squad and I believe he can get us up. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanidaho Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, 83owl said: Why are people constantly saying that we need to spend money on transfer fees? This is L1 where pretty much all of the teams are built on free transfers. It's not just about transfers, although if you want to improve you may need to splash the cash. it's also about wages being available for better players even if they are on a free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S72 Owl Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 minute ago, S72 Owl said: I’d stick with him. Give him another summer to shake his squad and I believe he can get us up. Or even shape his squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 hours ago, sexpistol said: All the people who want him gone if we fail to get promoted would have wanted Big Ron and Big Jack out too. Moore is building something at this club which I assume most can see. It would be madness to sack him and then try again and then what if that person doesn’t get promoted straight away. On and on and on etc. Sorry but this analogy is unfair and not based on fact. Although you can argue that DM is building something on the same way as Sir Jack and Big Ron, having been there at the time, DM does not have the same level of support. Please correct me if I’m wrong but there wasn’t concern about Jack or Ron’s tactical nous or experimental selections rather that they were making silk purses out of sows ears. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanidaho Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 It makes me laugh with all the comments about playing players out of position/wrong position. We only see a snippet of what is going on during a match day, we don't see what is going on on the training ground and what instructions the players are getting. we don't know if there is a niggling injury, or even if there are other issues. As already mentioned, a missed penalty here, a sitter missed there or a bad pass and things could've been a bit different. admittedly, that can be said of any team, but only two teams have lost fewer matches this season so are performing not too bad 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 4 hours ago, Jim said: Right I’m going to stick my neck out and try to explain why my attitude towards Moore is totally different to my attitude towards Monk and then the good old folk of OT can shoot me down in flames. This season hasn’t been perfect by any means. It was never going to be. Some aspects of this season have been under Moore’s control, other aspects like the constant injuries haven’t. Despite everything we still have a chance of promotion which wasn’t universally being predicted on here at the start of the season like some are saying. I think you’ll find relegation was a big concern amongst some. We’ve been nowhere near a relegation battle this season. Do I like the passing style of play? That we are actually scoring goals and winning regularly at home? That we might finally have sorted out the Bannan conundrum? That players aren’t constantly frozen out? That the players seem to enjoy playing for their manager? That the manager appreciates the support of the fans? That the manager tries to look after the well being of his players after injury? That we make early decisions on young players to try and give them a chance of a future elsewhere but give us a chance to bring others in who can potentially grow with us and do better? That we push youngsters like Cadamarteri, Hall and Holland up the age groups quicker to potentially bring them up to first team standard quicker? That we regularly have young players train with the first team? That we have a manager who looks at the welfare of the entire club rather than just himself and the first team squad? An emphatic YES to all of the above. But let’s get rid of him because he has played NML as a central striker in 3 games where we’ve picked up 7/9 points. I’ll tell you one thing, the next manager should we replace Moore in the summer may well get us out of League 1 but we’ll falter eventually because the foundations aren’t in place. We stick with Moore we’ll eventually prosper because the foundations actually will be laid. Agreed. 4 hours ago, parajack said: 6th in Div 3 doing a 'good job'? really?...look again....we are only 6th on goal difference,and 2 points thrown away(again to a set piece!)..leading to our 13 draw in a very poor Division, is NOT in my view 'doing a good job'.... My god. You are fvvcking grim mate. It’s not perfect but things seldom are. Every Wednesdayite wants us to win every match and we all want promotion but sitting in fifth place (not sixth) after rebuilding an entire squad and getting rid of the dig5h1t players we had last year isn’t failure. Of course it could be better but it’s not failure. Fvvck me! What were you expecting?!! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pughies Jockstrap Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 There is one massive problem at Sheffield Wednesday and has been for a few years now. His name is Dejphon Chansiri. While ever he stays mediocrity will ever be thus. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrs Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Too early to say. If we storm into the play-offs, make the final, play well but narrowly lose on pens I’d probably give him another chance next season. If we capitulate in the last five games and finish 7th with yet more set piece goals conceded and NML playing up front and missing chances then I’d say bye bye Mr Moore. Hes done a good job in some respects but ultimately I believe anything less than promotion or at least a good fist of the play-offs with what I truly think is the best squad in the division would be failure in my eyes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Jim said: The away forms average, I get that but if we sack Moore and bring in a promotion specialist, we’ll eventually end up in League 1 again because no one has put the foundations in place. It’s not as if this isn’t the third time this century this has happened, is it and it keeps happening because as a club we keep feeding hand to mouth rather than taking the time needed to prepare a really good meal. The last two times we went up from league 1 we stayed up for 5 years and 9 years, and nearly got promoted again. There's no reason why we can't rebuild in the championship and still stay up. Its all about promotion at all costs right now, nothing else matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Down South Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Think Moore is relatively lucky to be at a club which seems willing to settle for mediocrity, otherwise he would have been out of a job already. I have little confidence in the manager (or the players come to that), but even less confidence in the owner’s decision making process. On balance I would grudgingly give Moore another season, but our ability to afford paying Championship players in League One concerns me, as does the age of the squad and the continued inability to bring through young talent. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 1 hour ago, duncanidaho said: It's not just about transfers, although if you want to improve you may need to splash the cash. it's also about wages being available for better players even if they are on a free Don’t think we have a problem with wages. Can’t see any other club in the division paying anything near what we do given the size of our squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Not even a question for me, of course he should stay As time goes on we get better, so why push the reset button Plus, I would say that anyone who had expectations over and above the playoffs was being really, really optimistic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlerIT2 Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 7 hours ago, SamSWFC56383 said: Do We stick with Moore next season if we are unsuccessful to get promoted ? NO 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marro Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Take stock at the end of the season. Let’s see how we finish this campaign. You should only make a change if: (1) we are not progressing and (2) if there is a better alternative. DM has assembled a decent squad. Reasonable to ask if he’s got the best out of them, question his team selection and tactics etc. …….but who is to say we will keep hold of our better players if DM left? It is not that simple in my view. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parajack Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 3 hours ago, NorthernOwl said: Not sure this is a great example to back up your argument since Sunderland have had 7 managers (including caretakers) since relegation to league 1. Maybe manager roulette isn't always the answer. We always see comparisons with the Wigans & Sunderlands,never any with Rotherham or Barnsley,both Clubs considered 'YO YO' who have to wheel and deal with loans and survive by selling players ... Yet both in recent Years got straight back up at first attempt.... Rotherham form dire at the minute and some very tired legs but still 3rd with games in hand....WW on our coat tails on the same points another team relegated with us last season. People getting too giddy about potentially reaching the play offs....5 or 6th in Div 3 is NOT good enough......Have we,(are we) doing at least as well as the teams relegated with us? At the minute jurys out..... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 Btw No surprise to see this thread and the haterz appearing on the site despite the fact that we are still in 5th with our destiny in our own hands.. It’s almost like they were waiting for us not to win to pounce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, parajack said: We always see comparisons with the Wigans & Sunderlands,never any with Rotherham or Barnsley,both Clubs considered 'YO YO' who have to wheel and deal with loans and survive by selling players ... Yet both in recent Years got straight back up at first attempt.... Rotherham form dire at the minute and some very tired legs but still 3rd with games in hand....WW on our coat tails on the same points another team relegated with us last season. People getting too giddy about potentially reaching the play offs....5 or 6th in Div 3 is NOT good enough......Have we,(are we) doing at least as well as the teams relegated with us? At the minute jurys out..... For me the benchmark was Ipswich Very similar situation to ourselves in terms of resources, squad rebuild, expectation They even had the benefit of a few years to build in this division How are they doing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandypants Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 22 minutes ago, parajack said: We always see comparisons with the Wigans & Sunderlands,never any with Rotherham or Barnsley,both Clubs considered 'YO YO' who have to wheel and deal with loans and survive by selling players ... Yet both in recent Years got straight back up at first attempt.... Rotherham form dire at the minute and some very tired legs but still 3rd with games in hand....WW on our coat tails on the same points another team relegated with us last season. People getting too giddy about potentially reaching the play offs....5 or 6th in Div 3 is NOT good enough......Have we,(are we) doing at least as well as the teams relegated with us? At the minute jurys out..... Our form since Christmas has been exceptional. That’s the thing people are encouraged and/or excited about. The inconsistency of the early part of our season can be argued as bedding in a new team/squad. We have recruited almost a new squad this season; players aren’t robots and can’t be expected to start performing as a team instantly. The team is performing well and scoring now with the real thing that needs addressing being defending set pieces. No team are perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingOwl Posted April 10, 2022 Share Posted April 10, 2022 I’d stick with him. Fed up of changing managers & I still believe Moore’s been dealt a rough hand this season with injuries. I think Moore is the type of manager who, given time, will build Something good. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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