Flat Owl Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, TodwickOwl said: Injured this time next week Indeed - anyone near the first team squad are not being ‘warmed up ‘ properly on a match day. Just watch how the opposition warm up - much more rigorous than our ‘kick about’.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Bonvin Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 32 minutes ago, Joe Sunburn said: Kid doesn't even have a driver's permit. How will he ever get to a game? Rotherham Owls are taking a coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack of Clubs Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe Sunburn said: Kid doesn't even have a driver's permit. How will he ever get to a game? A good number of our fans are usually willing to drive players to places. Usually it’s driving people away from Hillsborough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, 31Dec1966 said: This just never happens does it ? Remember Mark Platts at 16 coming on as a sub for Waddle? what a prospect, soon went to Torquay then Worksop ! Ritchie Humphreys ? ended up as Chesterfields right back ! Humphries had a very long league career and is a legend at Hartlepool United. Richard Wood, Mark Beever, Rory Mcardle, Tommy Spurr, Richard O'Donnell, Adam Davies, Steven Quinn, Del Geary, Leigh Bromby to name a few. We seem very good at producing solid defenders and keeperd, none have played in the premier league all have had decent careers that have last 10 years+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Asio otus said: Absolutely agree, however at the moment we are governed by the chairmans often unrealistic ambitions and fans wanting instant success. To achieve bringing on young players we need patience and encouragement because our fans need to support that approach. It takes time but certainly in the long run brings success which is sustainable. How many fans will give a manager or chairman time to follow that approach. Therefore me there lies problem, its short term that wins sadly. The fans expect, but the fans are paying the highest prices in the league, we have a chairman saying 'buy your tickets now because next season back in the championship they will be higher'. it is not the fans causing this, its the fool in charge. We were losing £20m+ in the championship every season, we have lost the tv money and not spent on fees this season, but we have wasted money on Gibson, Brown, Wing, Berahino, Sow, John Jules. We are probably going to have losses of £10m+. We have probably wasted a few million on wages and loan fees for players no better than what we had. when we have Galvin, Waldock, Hunt, Brennan, Wildsmith, Dawodu, Hagen any of these players could have been given game time, bar Brennan and Wildsmith none have. this is not the fans fault this is the people managing the team and the club. Rotherham, Wigan, Sunderland, Wycombe all pushing for promotion all giving younger players game time. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Do enjoy a room0035 meltdown. Not even sure what it is about, but he's really going for it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinmad Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 hours ago, bigash_swfc said: I wonder if Journalists are a huge part of the problem, any scout worth their salt will be seeking info like this. Probably the reason we'll lose Bailey Cadamatri. Build their stardom and someone else will be able to value them more than us. I understand the world is hard though with everyone trying to justify their jobs Just a thought. Bailey is scouted constantly by a top Premier league team and has been for the last 3 years. Probably others watching him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlabroad2001 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, room0035 said: Dean gets injured we have a centre back in Brennan - Moore instead plays Palmer We get injuries in central midfield we have a ready made replacement in Waldock instead Moore pick Paterson. we have a few forwards injured will Hagan or Cadamarteri play instead we play Sow or Berahino or worse Brown. We have young players who really should get a chance, the problem is we have a manager and coaching staff that see younger players as a last case scenario, when others cannot play out of position. Brennan is a right sided defender, hence he can’t play on the left. Palmer better option. Paterson’s best season in the Premier was as an attacking midfielder. Hence a better option than untried youngsters. Sow has done well recently. Why the hell would we put a teenager in or Hagan who was crap in non-league? Sow beat option So happy you aren’t our manager. Ridiculous post! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Dec1966 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 1 hour ago, room0035 said: Humphries had a very long league career and is a legend at Hartlepool United. Richard Wood, Mark Beever, Rory Mcardle, Tommy Spurr, Richard O'Donnell, Adam Davies, Steven Quinn, Del Geary, Leigh Bromby to name a few. We seem very good at producing solid defenders and keeperd, none have played in the premier league all have had decent careers that have last 10 years+. Compare those names with a nearby club. Maguire, Walker, Calvert-Lewin, Ramsdale, all could be in England's World Cup team. Even Lowton and Naughton have had better careers than the ones you named. Not to mention Billy Sharp. Sadly, as with most things we are useless at producing players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, room0035 said: The fans expect, but the fans are paying the highest prices in the league, we have a chairman saying 'buy your tickets now because next season back in the championship they will be higher'. it is not the fans causing this, its the fool in charge. We were losing £20m+ in the championship every season, we have lost the tv money and not spent on fees this season, but we have wasted money on Gibson, Brown, Wing, Berahino, Sow, John Jules. We are probably going to have losses of £10m+. We have probably wasted a few million on wages and loan fees for players no better than what we had. when we have Galvin, Waldock, Hunt, Brennan, Wildsmith, Dawodu, Hagen any of these players could have been given game time, bar Brennan and Wildsmith none have. this is not the fans fault this is the people managing the team and the club. Rotherham, Wigan, Sunderland, Wycombe all pushing for promotion all giving younger players game time. ipswich cost more ............rovrum have one whos come thru the ranks getting regular game time as do wycombe ........of those you mentioned 6 have been out on loan this season 5 were available to go back out this window and only 1 got taken and that was to the mighty oldham and got subbed on saturday before the hour mark, why do you think we couldnt get the others out ? ........you cant just play them coz there young they have to be good enough . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRightSide Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 4 hours ago, room0035 said: Dean gets injured we have a centre back in Brennan - Moore instead plays Palmer We get injuries in central midfield we have a ready made replacement in Waldock instead Moore pick Paterson. we have a few forwards injured will Hagan or Cadamarteri play instead we play Sow or Berahino or worse Brown. We have young players who really should get a chance, the problem is we have a manager and coaching staff that see younger players as a last case scenario, when others cannot play out of position. Im hardly Liam Palmer’s biggest fan but even I could see bring him on ahead of Brennan was 100% the correct decision Similar to Paterson being selected over Waldock (or whichever academy player we want to name who is magically amazing just by virtue of being an academy player) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 6 hours ago, room0035 said: Dean gets injured we have a centre back in Brennan - Moore instead plays Palmer We get injuries in central midfield we have a ready made replacement in Waldock instead Moore pick Paterson. we have a few forwards injured will Hagan or Cadamarteri play instead we play Sow or Berahino or worse Brown. We have young players who really should get a chance, the problem is we have a manager and coaching staff that see younger players as a last case scenario, when others cannot play out of position. Tbh those aren't even bad examples of him playing players out of position. Palmer and Paterson I wouldn't consider to be massively out of position playing there. And Berahino thats his actual position he's just bad at it. Can think of quite a few other examples this season of players played in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigash_swfc Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Owlinmad said: Bailey is scouted constantly by a top Premier league team and has been for the last 3 years. Probably others watching him as well. And how would you feel to see him leave without playing professionally for us? Edited February 4, 2022 by bigash_swfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlinmad Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, bigash_swfc said: And how would you feel to see him leave without playing professionally for us? It happens at clubs all over the world. He will need to do what he thinks is best for his career. We, the club, are a very small fish in a very big pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 14 hours ago, room0035 said: The fans expect, but the fans are paying the highest prices in the league, we have a chairman saying 'buy your tickets now because next season back in the championship they will be higher'. it is not the fans causing this, its the fool in charge. We were losing £20m+ in the championship every season, we have lost the tv money and not spent on fees this season, but we have wasted money on Gibson, Brown, Wing, Berahino, Sow, John Jules. We are probably going to have losses of £10m+. We have probably wasted a few million on wages and loan fees for players no better than what we had. when we have Galvin, Waldock, Hunt, Brennan, Wildsmith, Dawodu, Hagen any of these players could have been given game time, bar Brennan and Wildsmith none have. this is not the fans fault this is the people managing the team and the club. Rotherham, Wigan, Sunderland, Wycombe all pushing for promotion all giving younger players game time. It takes time to develop young players you make it sound they can all walk into the team and they will excell . Reality is different of course we need to develop our young players. Who is blaming the fans not me, we are in a mess because of the chairman's strategy. I just said will our fans be patient if we decide to take that route, evidence suggests otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 It's alright calling for the youngsters to be given a chance, but they have to be physically ready, as well as Technicaly ready. These players who are only 16 years old need to be sent out to other leagues to gain experience of adult football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Asio otus said: It takes time to develop young players you make it sound they can all walk into the team and they will excell . Reality is different of course we need to develop our young players. Who is blaming the fans not me, we are in a mess because of the chairman's strategy. I just said will our fans be patient if we decide to take that route, evidence suggests otherwise. No i dont, what i was saying was young players need to be given a chance. That all i was saying they need to be given games, allowed to play, they will make mistakes, but getting regular game time in the third division, we will have some first team players within a season or two. But in true Owlstalk fashion, not you, but others they are not good enough, they are only going out on loan to none league teams, they are not ready, blah blah blah. They are only going out on loan to none league clubs because our youth is very very badly managed. Brennan should be playing week in week out did he go out on loan in January now this wont happen unless he goes none league, the same Waldock, Hagan, Dawodu. We have an injury crisis with 10 players out of 23 man squad injured do we give youth a chance, NO we sign more loan players that have not played regular and guess what they get injured. we will once again on Saturday be picking a team with square pegs in round holes. But the two games Johnson played Wing back instead of Centre back he has been one of the best players on the pitch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: It's alright calling for the youngsters to be given a chance, but they have to be physically ready, as well as Technicaly ready. These players who are only 16 years old need to be sent out to other leagues to gain experience of adult football. Yep. Cadamateri looks promising but at that age unless he's built like Wayne Rooney was then he's probably not going to be ready. He should be looking to play first team football in 23/24 season, so another 18 months. Unfortunately though he's unlikely to still be here by then. Not much can be done about it really until the club is back in the top flight as he's bound to get better offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, adelphi1867 said: It's alright calling for the youngsters to be given a chance, but they have to be physically ready, as well as Technicaly ready. These players who are only 16 years old need to be sent out to other leagues to gain experience of adult football. Indeed but we need to be managing the youth players, something that is clearly not happening at all levels of the club. i hear this morning Man City are scouting Cadamateri, he stays at SWFC he will drift until he is 20-22 barely play other than development games, maybe a none league loan then he will be released because he is not good enough. he signs for Man City, he goes into their youth team within 18 months he will be out on loan playing league football, he will get regular game time as it will be stipulated as part of the loan, he will develop into a good squad player for the first team or end up being sold to a championship, EPL team or a club from abroad and they will get a good fee and a sell on or buy back option for him. the same player, the same talent, one club values youth and develops it the other is us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, room0035 said: Indeed but we need to be managing the youth players, something that is clearly not happening at all levels of the club. i hear this morning Man City are scouting Cadamateri, he stays at SWFC he will drift until he is 20-22 barely play other than development games, maybe a none league loan then he will be released because he is not good enough. he signs for Man City, he goes into their youth team within 18 months he will be out on loan playing league football, he will get regular game time as it will be stipulated as part of the loan, he will develop into a good squad player for the first team or end up being sold to a championship, EPL team or a club from abroad and they will get a good fee and a sell on or buy back option for him. the same player, the same talent, one club values youth and develops it the other is us. I don't understand what you're proposing the club do about it though. If Man City want him he will go there. What should Wednesday do to make a different outcome? We can't play him if he's not ready right now, we need to try and get promoted. We can't give him a £2m contract either in League 1. The reality is we can't really offer him anything to compete with Premier League clubs either pathway wise, financially, facilities, coaching. Nothing can be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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