Ellis Rimmer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Leaping Lannys Perm said: I agree in general. We are a club that employed both Madine and Danny Cademattery. But I always assumed rape would be different. Well you must know people who have murdered such as lee Hughes and that Plymouth goalie got clubs again and that’s the worst thing you can do If the player is good there will be someone who can’t resist getting a better player than they would usually be able to attain. Looking at this guys goal scoring record he appears to be Scottish PL level they will also hide behind the “people need a second chance” argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxonOwl Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said: who have murdered Not disagreeing with the thrust of your post but you need to watch what you say. It wasn't actually murder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, OxonOwl said: Not disagreeing with the thrust of your post but you need to watch what you say. It wasn't actually murder. Oh of course, fair enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 I can see Raith ending up in admin. Their gates are rubbish anyway and they will plummet further. Their main benefactor and sponsor Val McDermid has pulled her support from the club too. Really shortsighted decision and especially with the Greenwood news being so fresh too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, edinburghowl said: I don’t know the full details or ins and outs of the criminal case, but in Scotland it’s different to England there are 3 different verdicts available in Scots Law in the courts (guilty, not guilty, and not proven) and I think in this case it may have been a not proven verdict in the first case. Not proven does not mean not guilty, in most cases it is basically a verdict where it is almost certain that the defendant is guilty, but there is insufficient evidence to prosecute. My understanding is that after that case the lady took it to a civil court and was awarded damages of £100k. it never went to a criminal court so there was no verdict ......... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owlinexile Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 In a criminal trial you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he did it. This is generally extremely difficult with rape as it often comes down to one person's word against another. In a civil case you just have to prove that on the balance of probability that he did it, which is much easier. Goodwillie does, on the other hand, have multiple criminal convictions for assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzaswfc Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 The timescales are important. Whilst he was found guilty in 2017 in a civil case the actual offence was in 2011. His charges were dropped due to insufficient evidence. most rape charges are dropped. Still 10 years on. that's also a lot of other clubs that employed him since his initial arrest.too. This is what get me with "lack of evidence". "was close to collapse as she left their nightclub." Morals , football doesn't have any yet claims too when it suits! time for Football to catch up and change and be the "community clubs" they claim to be. This is not just football's problem but they need to be advocates, especially inlight of the continued promotion of Women's football. Recent cases highlighting its time for change 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Why has this blown up going to Raith but not Clyde? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazzaswfc Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Recent cases, the Sarah Everard case, the #metoo movement. Not solely a football issue but the recent Greenwood incident means some people are publicly taking a stand against it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Why has this blown up going to Raith but not Clyde? Sponsor McDermid taking a stand 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Raith now confirming he won’t play, they got it wrong, and they are reviewing his contract. The women’s team had started the process to move away from Raith Rovers too over it. This is going to end up a mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthefish2002 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Was inevitable Raith we going to have to cancel is contract. They were risking the very future of the club if they played him with sponsors pulling out etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinburghowl Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 Two and a half years they’re potentially going to have to pay up for no return. And there’s all th damage to reputation and relationships too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Rimmer Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 He’s perhaps made a rod for his own back I assume he left Clyde rather than them getting rid based on that scoring record. It will be a big story where he goes now, but unlike somebody like Greenwood I can’t imagine foreign work for him is all that lucrative to be worth emigrating at that level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannofan Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 19 hours ago, Ellis Rimmer said: Why has this blown up going to Raith but not Clyde? That has intrigued me as well about the whole thing. Surely the Clyde fans, sponsors and board members didn't just accept him and let him get on with banging the goals in ( which he did ), but I can't remember reading anything about it at all. Like you, I assumed he wasn't playing and had just been released from prison or something and Raith were the first to show interest. I'll have a search now, see what headlines there were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bannofan said: That has intrigued me as well about the whole thing. Surely the Clyde fans, sponsors and board members didn't just accept him and let him get on with banging the goals in ( which he did ), but I can't remember reading anything about it at all. Like you, I assumed he wasn't playing and had just been released from prison or something and Raith were the first to show interest. I'll have a search now, see what headlines there were. He was at Clyde for five years, and I don't remember ever seeing anything this in the news during that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mildatheart67 Posted February 3, 2022 Author Share Posted February 3, 2022 I remember there was quite a bit in the papers when he signed for Clyde. The Chairman at Raith might have to go too, that statement he put out yesterday was toxic, Ratner level mis management 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilli Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 On 01/02/2022 at 17:51, aussieowl87 said: Goodwillie by name, bad Willie by nature. Abhorrent though. Just to clarify. Don't want anyone to think I'm making light of the situation. Of course we won't, especially since your location is 'Chasing International Crumpet' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sham67 Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Bannofan said: That has intrigued me as well about the whole thing. Surely the Clyde fans, sponsors and board members didn't just accept him and let him get on with banging the goals in ( which he did ), but I can't remember reading anything about it at all. Like you, I assumed he wasn't playing and had just been released from prison or something and Raith were the first to show interest. I'll have a search now, see what headlines there were. They weren’t sponsored by a famous novelist who withdrew their sponsorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmontonowl Posted February 3, 2022 Share Posted February 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Sham67 said: They weren’t sponsored by a famous novelist who withdrew their sponsorship. .........and a female one. And she's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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