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6 minutes ago, Charles Clegg said:

90% Covid cases in ICU are in unvaccinated. Meanwhile NHS waiting lists have risen from 500k to over 6M.. people with debilitating conditions are waiting over 12 months for surgery. 

I think I understand the point you’re making here, that if the unvaccinated got jabbed it would free up capacity and waiting lists for other things would reduce.

 

But it’s like saying if people stopped smoking or lost weight that would cut waiting lists and then berating those people who choose to carry on smoking or eating to excess. 
 

I still think you have to respect people’s fundamental right to do as they please with their own body.

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2 minutes ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said:

I think I understand the point you’re making here, that if the unvaccinated got jabbed it would free up capacity and waiting lists for other things would reduce.

 

But it’s like saying if people stopped smoking or lost weight that would cut waiting lists and then berating those people who choose to carry on smoking or eating to excess. 
 

I still think you have to respect people’s fundamental right to do as they please with their own body.

Smoking and over-eating are addictions. Refusing freely available vaccines which benefit all of society isn't addictive behaviour. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Charles Clegg said:

Smoking and over-eating are addictions. Refusing freely available vaccines which benefit all of society isn't addictive behaviour. 

 


Agreed, plus while they both affect the NHS's ability to provide care over-eating doesn't directly harm anybody else.

Smoking, however, does so it has been banned in public places. It seems reasonable to me that similar laws should be in place to protect the spread of a much more immediate and direct threat such as Covid. Do the anti mask/vaccine people also think that the smoking laws are an  unnecessary breach of liberty?

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14 minutes ago, Charles Clegg said:

Smoking and over-eating are addictions. Refusing freely available vaccines which benefit all of society isn't addictive behaviour. 

 

Well people can quit smoking if they want, I used to smoke a long time ago but gave up. And I’m not sure eating too much is an addiction in most cases, most people just eat that little bit too much and it adds up over time. 
 

Someone might be scared of needles for example. 

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50 minutes ago, JemmoJemoJemmo said:

Yeah cos it started with them

just killing people - you utter moron!

Wow.

 

So you are comparing the Nazis rounding up anyone who was different to them (something those people cannot affect) to people having to shown a passport with says whether they see vaccinated or not, definitely that person's choice?

 

You are one thick ********.

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3 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

Wow.

 

So you are comparing the Nazis rounding up anyone who was different to them (something those people cannot affect) to people having to shown a passport with says whether they see vaccinated or not, definitely that person's choice?

 

You are one thick ********.

We’ve defintely got a special one out tonight 

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Just now, Ian said:

We’ve defintely got a special one out tonight 

Most definitely. Just goes to show the excellent work that @@owlstalk does on a daily basis to stop people like this from regularly posting, as I would imagine this isn't the first time he has had a little outburst that we haven't noticed.

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5 minutes ago, DoorDoor said:

yes it was negative, but you debate and have free speech, you don't ban things because you disagree with them

Free speech is only in relation to being openly allowed to criticise the government without fear of retribution - it does not allow you to say whatever you like as many erroneously think it does.

 

Similarly, when the viewpoint is potentially harmful or negative to the wider public, as the anti-vax movement is, then it should be silenced as much as possible to stop anymore people falling victim to its ideology.

 

I hope that makes sense.

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3 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

Free speech is only in relation to being openly allowed to criticise the government without fear of retribution - it does not allow you to say whatever you like as many erroneously think it does.

 

Similarly, when the viewpoint is potentially harmful or negative to the wider public, as the anti-vax movement is, then it should be silenced as much as possible to stop anymore people falling victim to its ideology.

 

I hope that makes sense.


 

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2 hours ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said:

This seems a bit extreme. It’s clear why the authorities want people to get vaccinated and it’s because it cuts the risk of getting seriously ill from a small risk to a tiny one. So it relieves the pressure on the health service.

 

However the idea that people who’ve chosen not to have it for whatever reason should be societal outcasts is wrong and sets a dangerous precedent.

 

Mintons views on restrictions have always been extreme mate. 

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1 hour ago, JemmoJemoJemmo said:

Absolute moron!

 

Absolutely 100% sums up the absolutely thick morons that have allowed this f***frat to continue for nearly two years.

 

”I’m as thick as f00k, I’ve done no research, know absolutely nothing, but I trust the science that has made Wales so much better off than Sweden”.


 

Calm it down David Icke 

 

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17 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said:

Free speech is only in relation to being openly allowed to criticise the government without fear of retribution - it does not allow you to say whatever you like as many erroneously think it does.

 

Similarly, when the viewpoint is potentially harmful or negative to the wider public, as the anti-vax movement is, then it should be silenced as much as possible to stop anymore people falling victim to its ideology.

 

I hope that makes sense.

no, free speech is is the freedom to speak your mind, no matter how "offensive", it is to ppl, ("cough" "midget gems")  and since when is not taking an experimental drug a negative to the wider public, silencing people you don't agree with is tantamount to fascism/communism, they're the ones who want to silence ppls free speech

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Communism has nothing to do with oppression or fascism, it’s just hardline socialism. The problem is that communist regimes have historically been imposed as a front for several fascistic dictators who themselves were anything but socialists. They only used it as a way to control and repress their own populations further, which has nothing whatsoever to do with communist ideals.

 

Freedom of speech doesn’t necessarily mean having to tolerate the intolerant, you can still have freedom of expression with exceptions for speech/material that seeks to limit others’ freedoms.

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