Guest Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Charles Clegg said: 90% Covid cases in ICU are in unvaccinated. Meanwhile NHS waiting lists have risen from 500k to over 6M.. people with debilitating conditions are waiting over 12 months for surgery. I think I understand the point you’re making here, that if the unvaccinated got jabbed it would free up capacity and waiting lists for other things would reduce. But it’s like saying if people stopped smoking or lost weight that would cut waiting lists and then berating those people who choose to carry on smoking or eating to excess. I still think you have to respect people’s fundamental right to do as they please with their own body. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Clegg Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said: I think I understand the point you’re making here, that if the unvaccinated got jabbed it would free up capacity and waiting lists for other things would reduce. But it’s like saying if people stopped smoking or lost weight that would cut waiting lists and then berating those people who choose to carry on smoking or eating to excess. I still think you have to respect people’s fundamental right to do as they please with their own body. Smoking and over-eating are addictions. Refusing freely available vaccines which benefit all of society isn't addictive behaviour. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the mighty wednesday Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 5 minutes ago, Charles Clegg said: Smoking and over-eating are addictions. Refusing freely available vaccines which benefit all of society isn't addictive behaviour. Agreed, plus while they both affect the NHS's ability to provide care over-eating doesn't directly harm anybody else. Smoking, however, does so it has been banned in public places. It seems reasonable to me that similar laws should be in place to protect the spread of a much more immediate and direct threat such as Covid. Do the anti mask/vaccine people also think that the smoking laws are an unnecessary breach of liberty? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 14 minutes ago, Charles Clegg said: Smoking and over-eating are addictions. Refusing freely available vaccines which benefit all of society isn't addictive behaviour. Well people can quit smoking if they want, I used to smoke a long time ago but gave up. And I’m not sure eating too much is an addiction in most cases, most people just eat that little bit too much and it adds up over time. Someone might be scared of needles for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 50 minutes ago, JemmoJemoJemmo said: Yeah cos it started with them just killing people - you utter moron! Wow. So you are comparing the Nazis rounding up anyone who was different to them (something those people cannot affect) to people having to shown a passport with says whether they see vaccinated or not, definitely that person's choice? You are one thick ********. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Wow. So you are comparing the Nazis rounding up anyone who was different to them (something those people cannot affect) to people having to shown a passport with says whether they see vaccinated or not, definitely that person's choice? You are one thick ********. We’ve defintely got a special one out tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 Just now, Ian said: We’ve defintely got a special one out tonight Most definitely. Just goes to show the excellent work that @@owlstalk does on a daily basis to stop people like this from regularly posting, as I would imagine this isn't the first time he has had a little outburst that we haven't noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoorDoor Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Most definitely. Just goes to show the excellent work that @@owlstalk does on a daily basis to stop people like this from regularly posting, as I would imagine this isn't the first time he has had a little outburst that we haven't noticed. burn the opposite view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoorDoor Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 pol pot wants his forum back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, DoorDoor said: burn the opposite view Most definitely. Don't need any more nutters thinking Hitler's regime was another other than negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoorDoor Posted January 15, 2022 Share Posted January 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Most definitely. Don't need any more nutters thinking Hitler's regime was another other than negative. yes it was negative, but you debate and have free speech, you don't ban things because you disagree with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DoorDoor said: yes it was negative, but you debate and have free speech, you don't ban things because you disagree with them Free speech is only in relation to being openly allowed to criticise the government without fear of retribution - it does not allow you to say whatever you like as many erroneously think it does. Similarly, when the viewpoint is potentially harmful or negative to the wider public, as the anti-vax movement is, then it should be silenced as much as possible to stop anymore people falling victim to its ideology. I hope that makes sense. Edited January 16, 2022 by Birley Owl 1867 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Free speech is only in relation to being openly allowed to criticise the government without fear of retribution - it does not allow you to say whatever you like as many erroneously think it does. Similarly, when the viewpoint is potentially harmful or negative to the wider public, as the anti-vax movement is, then it should be silenced as much as possible to stop anymore people falling victim to its ideology. I hope that makes sense. This 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 Ps this thread is nuts 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birley Owl 1867 Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, @owlstalk said: Ps this thread is nuts It's as nuts as one of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S36 OWL Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Kevin Pressmans Pen said: This seems a bit extreme. It’s clear why the authorities want people to get vaccinated and it’s because it cuts the risk of getting seriously ill from a small risk to a tiny one. So it relieves the pressure on the health service. However the idea that people who’ve chosen not to have it for whatever reason should be societal outcasts is wrong and sets a dangerous precedent. Mintons views on restrictions have always been extreme mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted January 16, 2022 Author Share Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, JemmoJemoJemmo said: Absolute moron! Absolutely 100% sums up the absolutely thick morons that have allowed this f***frat to continue for nearly two years. ”I’m as thick as f00k, I’ve done no research, know absolutely nothing, but I trust the science that has made Wales so much better off than Sweden”. Calm it down David Icke ffs 2 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoorDoor Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, Birley Owl 1867 said: Free speech is only in relation to being openly allowed to criticise the government without fear of retribution - it does not allow you to say whatever you like as many erroneously think it does. Similarly, when the viewpoint is potentially harmful or negative to the wider public, as the anti-vax movement is, then it should be silenced as much as possible to stop anymore people falling victim to its ideology. I hope that makes sense. no, free speech is is the freedom to speak your mind, no matter how "offensive", it is to ppl, ("cough" "midget gems") and since when is not taking an experimental drug a negative to the wider public, silencing people you don't agree with is tantamount to fascism/communism, they're the ones who want to silence ppls free speech 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 Communism has nothing to do with oppression or fascism, it’s just hardline socialism. The problem is that communist regimes have historically been imposed as a front for several fascistic dictators who themselves were anything but socialists. They only used it as a way to control and repress their own populations further, which has nothing whatsoever to do with communist ideals. Freedom of speech doesn’t necessarily mean having to tolerate the intolerant, you can still have freedom of expression with exceptions for speech/material that seeks to limit others’ freedoms. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted January 16, 2022 Share Posted January 16, 2022 And yes, extremely bonkers thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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