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10 hours ago, Tony Pulis said:

Yeah 

 

Carlos - played attractive brand of football and got us two top 6 finishes

Jos - Promotion specialist in Germany

Bruce - Promotion specialist in England

Monk - was successful with Birmingham, and got two top half finishes with Middlesbrough and Leeds

Pulis - Survival specialist in England

Moore - On brink of promotion with Doncaster from league below (clearly overachieving)

 

Whatever you can say about Chansiri, I think there was always a level of sense with the appointments. Most of them were not the right one, but there was always some logic.


For majority of clubs in this country, well any country for that matter, its easy to say ‘most of them weren’t the right one’. It they were, they’d still be in the job.

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12 hours ago, edinburghowl said:

Why should we consolidate? Why wait?

 

I don't think we're waiting deliberately. 

Surely the club wants promotion as much, perhaps even more so than the fan in terms of lost revenue?

 

12 hours ago, edinburghowl said:

Newcastle when relegated from the Prem have gone straight up twice, their fans would accept nothing else

 

To be fair Corky,  they've been demanding to win a major honour since 1955 too, but it appears to have have fallen on deaf ears...

Their 'winner' fan base has had less success Wembley visits than our 'loser' fanbase in the last 100 years.

 

12 hours ago, edinburghowl said:

Quite why we accept losing to Shrewsbury, drawing with Gillingham at home, and building for next season as acceptable in the 3rd Division I do not know.

 

Whats the alternative, demand a rematch when we don't get a result?

 

12 hours ago, edinburghowl said:

That would never have crossed my mind when I started watching Wednesday.
Why should it now?

 

Did the club have greater success when it didn't cross your mind?

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12 hours ago, edinburghowl said:

I am absolutely sick to the back teeth of hearing and reading nonsense like this. Another one of the loser brigade in our fanbase.
 

In the 2nd part of the video for the most recent promotion it forgets to mention Dave Jones, without whom we wouldn’t have gone up, but the worst part is the pathetic acceptance of mediocrity which sadly runs through our club and fanbase and has done for far too long.
 

Why should we consolidate? Why wait?
 

We are a club of losers, it is completely engrained into the club, we settle for absolute rubbish and this absolutely has to change.
 

We need to demand more, to create a win at all costs and winning expectation, or we are doomed to being poo as a football club ad-infinitum.

 

Big clubs that are relegated don’t act or think like this and we shouldn’t either.
 

Newcastle when relegated from the Prem have gone straight up twice, their fans would accept nothing else, Man City did the same in League 1, my Scottish team Hearts have been relegated/demoted twice in my lifetime and they’ve won the Championship at a canter both times the season after because nothing else was acceptable.
 

Promotion and winning is the absolute minimum standard to clubs that think like this. One of those occasions for Hearts was by over 20 points ahead of local rivals Hibs and a free spending Rangers. Nothing else mattered. The fans and club demanded it.
 

Unachievable and unrealistic expectations to bounce back? Because it hasn’t been done before? Bullshit.
 

FFS even Hull, Rotherham and Barnsley have bounced straight back to the Championship

We’ve got the biggest wage budget in the division, some of the best fans, and the manager has been backed to get out of a poor league.

 

I’d like to think that we still see ourselves as a big club for this division and in the English Football League, and especially in the THIRD ******** TIER OF ENGLISH FOOTBALL. Aiming for promotion being the goal and nothing else is acceptable. That is how it should be.
 

I’ve been watching Wednesday since 85 and I want to see and hear that being said around the club, by the fans too, that nothing else is acceptable mantra. Quite why we accept losing to Shrewsbury, drawing with Gillingham at home, and building for next season as acceptable in the 3rd Division I do not know. That would never have crossed my mind when I started watching Wednesday.


Why should it now?

Absolutely all true..we accept shyte....

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10 hours ago, scilly owl said:

A good video, a lot theorising and historical comparisons… and why not, it doesn’t hurt to draw comparisons with the past.

I agree with many of the responders who suggest that just because it happened in the past it doesn’t mean that we should expect or accept that it will happen in the present.

In my opinion, for what it’s worth, there is a danger of the past repeating itself ( languishing in the third tier for a few seasons) unless Chansiri grasps the nettle and changes the manager. I am not that bothered whether Darren Moore is a nice guy or not, I’m sure that he is, but I really don’t believe that Wednesday will prosper under his stewardship.

They wont..Moore was taken on after 5 straight defeats..

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I don't disagree that there may be a perceived (lack of) ambition in the club or, at best, a complete mismanagement and a set of fans with the patience of several saints as a consequence.

 

Having said that, I'm sure that back in May last year, there were many of us dreading this season.

 

Given the state of the club then, and probably at the moment, I would have snatched your hand off for a record of 9th in the League with a 9-10-5 W/D/L record from 24 games.

 

I was expecting far worse, TBH, but that doesn't mean that I condone strategies of "consolidation" instead of serious preparation to win as many games as we are able.

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When everything goes wrong for you for a long period of time it’s natural to become apathetic. That’s where we are as a fan base, feels pointless protesting or getting too bothered about it as it’s unlikely anything will change.

 

I’m not sure other clubs fans drive them to be more successful. It’s that they have significant financial clout for the levels they’re at combined with impatient owners ready to shuffle the pack if things don’t work.

 

Our position is that 2000-2015 we were skint so couldn’t compete above mid table championship at best, then Chansiri came in we were decent for 2 seasons, had no luck/made tactical mistakes in the play offs, then we proceeded to make a number of bad managerial appointments (Bruce aside, where we again had no luck). Finally the funding ran out 2019-21 and we got relegated. Then we rebuilt the squad but we’re making the mistake of giving a manager that’s not worked too long again.

 

Nothing will change until we have owners/leadership that have both available finance and are capable of making strong decisive decisions at the same time. Chansiri has shown repeatedly he can’t do the latter and on the former, the available finance has been sketchy, there sometimes and not at others.

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