HootHoot Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 I think we're getting so desperate for a success story that any glimpse of talent and we cling to it in the hope they'll come good and save the club. He's 16 playing against boys his age. It's a HUGE jump up and the sad fact is in youth football, only 0.5% will ever make a career out of football. Let him naturally progress into the U23's and if he's good enough, he'll demonstrate that and get some game time. Borukov was the hype not so long ago and I believe he had a much better record but I could be mistaken. Not sure he's done anything noteworthy since he left us to further his career. Our time will come but we have to be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnsleyowl1996 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, OhForAnotherShez said: u18 play Preston in youth cup next Tue 7pm at Hillsboro' I nearly set off for it tonight! I meant first team cup games pal but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnsleyowl1996 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 How do you find out his goal scoring record vs hirst / borukov etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Barnsleyowl1996 said: How do you find out his goal scoring record vs hirst / borukov etc It would be great if someone invented a website where you could look things up by simply typing in a phrase or two. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack the Hat Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 6 hours ago, lanzaroteowl said: How many players have we had that were good enough to play for the first team at 16/17 year old? Bartman, Peter Fox? Even daddy Hirst was over 18 Hirst was playing for Barnsley when he was 17. I don't know if this lad is good enough but age has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomtheOwl95 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 31 minutes ago, malek said: Point of my post is that attitude must change. We are doing it wrong, and must start to do something differently. We should get likes of Cadamarteri involved, not because We think he will improve us, but to help his development and show that there is a door open for talented youngsters doing well. If nothing else it should be a reward for his rapid improvement, to motivate him and show him (and other talented youngsters as well) that his future lies here, with us. Well that's one of a number of things that needs to change with the club. Fully agree we need to do things differently. Said in another thread that unless Chansiri changes his way of working then things will just continue as they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlabroad2001 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Daniele Giovanni said: Ryan Sessegnon was running rings round his opponents at 16 And look at him now. The second worse player on the pitch against Morecambe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: Don't forget, he was playing against youngsters his own age Just because he looked good playing against under 18's doesn't mean he's ready yet The next step is the U23's, the fact he hasn't played for them yet tells me he's not ready First team football is totally different He has played for the 23s been used a couple times this season. As has Davidson who’s a similar age Pretty sure he played for them last season too. Edited January 11, 2022 by owl84 Update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 hour ago, malek said: Point of my post is that attitude must change. We are doing it wrong, and must start to do something differently. We should get likes of Cadamarteri involved, not because We think he will improve us, but to help his development and show that there is a door open for talented youngsters doing well. If nothing else it should be a reward for his rapid improvement, to motivate him and show him (and other talented youngsters as well) that his future lies here, with us. Exactly this Bowyer said that Bellingham had been training with the first team for 4 weeks and could see the improvements in that time. In that time he earned his spot on the bench. Just because he would be involved with the first team training around Match day squad doesn’t mean he can’t play 23s or 18s it could be what the fans need the support he would get could lift the full eleven. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, owl84 said: He has played for the 23s been used a couple times this season. As has Davidson who’s a similar age Pretty sure he played for them last season too. If he's played for the U23's and he's back in the U18's That should tell everyone he's not ready for the first team People are too impatient 2 Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniele Giovanni Posted January 11, 2022 Author Share Posted January 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, Owlabroad2001 said: And look at him now. The second worse player on the pitch against Morecambe! That wasn't down to the fact he played for Fulham at 16,we all have off days, and he hasn't had a game in ages, so he'll get better next time round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owl84 Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, HOOTIE AND THE poo TU said: If he's played for the U23's and he's back in the U18's That should tell everyone he's not ready for the first team People are too impatient Players can be involved with both 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Well whenever Berahino enters the field he plays like a toddler so a 16 year old will be an upgrade. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOOTIE AND THE SHIT TU Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, owl84 said: Players can be involved with both I'm not saying they can't But the fact he keeps getting tried, then dropped back down to the U18's, tells me they are introducing him to the U23's gradually Which means he's not quite ready for U23 football, the club keep giving him a taste, which is very sensible That's the way to do it He's still a long way from the first team 2 Just a bloke, who used up all his luck in one go when he met his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhForAnotherShez Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Play offs throughout the leagues have reduced the chance to blood a youngster or two in the end of season 'dead' matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torryowl Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 Just now, owl84 said: Exactly this Bowyer said that Bellingham had been training with the first team for 4 weeks and could see the improvements in that time. dont think bowyer was manager at brum while bellingham was there ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etchesketch Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 42 minutes ago, torryowl said: dont think bowyer was manager at brum while bellingham was there ....... It's Bellinghams younger brother Jobe. He made his debut this week for the first team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstyslaces Posted January 11, 2022 Share Posted January 11, 2022 6 hours ago, Daniele Giovanni said: Ryan Sessegnon was running rings round his opponents at 16 True, very true! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy87shef Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I think it can be a huge benefit giving young players 16/17 more game time in mens football, but probably not at football league level unless they are a special talent. The jump from under 18’s to mens football is huge. I remember playing under 18’s and reserve football at 15/16 at Halifax and then Ossett. The physicality of mens football at 16 was huge and I was (still am) a big lad. We finished near the bottom of the league when our team was full of 15/16 year olds. The season after we pissed the league and lost a cup final. The quality was always there but everyone was bigger, faster and stronger the year before. The big exception was Cameron Jerome who went from playing under 18’s and reserves with me to quickly in the first team at 16. Then went on trial with Boro and then Cardiff signed him up (our manger was also a scout). I think he greatly benefitted playing lower down the leagues against men, rather than people his own age. Everyone is different though I suppose. I just think it’s a shame the old reserve league was scrapped. The Papa Johns Trophy (or whatever it is) is maybe of benefit, but games are not on a consistent basis and I also find it insulting to other clubs to have to play vs these kids. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniele Giovanni Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 How old was Pele in 58 world cup final? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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