Popular Post Dutch McLovin Posted January 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2022 Now i know we have not been blessed with the best managers in the last 20 odd years and Moore is by no means the worst but he is displaying a fantastic example of how NOT to manage a big club with large support and over ambitious fan base. Now rightly or wrongly we are a ambitious fanbase, and i think we all think we as a club should be at a higher level than what we are, thats not up for debate. But we are where we are and the clearout was needed. What Moore did in the summer window was quite impressive under the circumstances. Give him his dues. He should IMO have kept us up but in the summer the movement in the window was good. However, how he has managed us on the pitch is something that a lot of managers have done over the years which has ended in failure... negatively. We are clearly not fit enough, something that should have been a must for this season. They should have been pushed to the limit pre season. But the main issues is why do we not back ourselves and take it to the opposition whoever they may be ?? Attack, we have the players, we have the fans to get behind this, we have the goals in the team. We wouldnt mind losing or drawing if were going for it. But were not. Instead he has done what so many have in the past, been cautious, mismanaged the players (which has resulted in Corbeanu which is a massive blow) and lost a lot of fans faith. We lost 5-0 under Monk and lets be honest he should have gone then..... he didnt and we endured far too long with that 'manager'. We lost 5-0 last week, lets not hang about this time. 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 123adam789 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Totally agree and Moore is nowhere near up to the job. But who the hell is going to improve us whilst that madmad is at the helm. Everybody is watching how Wednesday operate and the recent fiasco re Corveanu could be more damaging in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0742 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dutch McLovin said: Now i know we have not been blessed with the best managers in the last 20 odd years and Moore is by no means the worst but he is displaying a fantastic example of how NOT to manage a big club with large support and over ambitious fan base. Now rightly or wrongly we are a ambitious fanbase, and i think we all think we as a club should be at a higher level than what we are, thats not up for debate. But we are where we are and the clearout was needed. What Moore did in the summer window was quite impressive under the circumstances. Give him his dues. He should IMO have kept us up but in the summer the movement in the window was good. However, how he has managed us on the pitch is something that a lot of managers have done over the years which has ended in failure... negatively. We are clearly not fit enough, something that should have been a must for this season. They should have been pushed to the limit pre season. But the main issues is why do we not back ourselves and take it to the opposition whoever they may be ?? Attack, we have the players, we have the fans to get behind this, we have the goals in the team. We wouldnt mind losing or drawing if were going for it. But were not. Instead he has done what so many have in the past, been cautious, mismanaged the players (which has resulted in Corbeanu which is a massive blow) and lost a lot of fans faith. We lost 5-0 under Monk and lets be honest he should have gone then..... he didnt and we endured far too long with that 'manager'. We lost 5-0 last week, lets not hang about this time. How are you determining the players aren't fit enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, 0742 said: How are you determining the players aren't fit enough? Just a general observation. They tire easily and the number of late goals we concede has to be in some part down to fatigue. In no part do we ever dominate a game and although all of these have other connotations but i do believe if we had a better level of fitness these things would be less apparent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkastav Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Im not sure we do have ‘goals in the team’ sadly esp with Windass being out for most of the season 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post striker Posted January 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 7, 2022 Like so many before him, scared to play football. Retreats into an overly pragmatic, negative no lose mindset, rather than must win. Its become very boring and predictable to watch. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The coach Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Even b4 the injuries 90% of the time we looked a disorganised rabble..theres zero evidence he will be able to get us up..absolute zero..thats why i dont understand the 'give him time' brigade 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowl Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Dutch McLovin said: Now i know we have not been blessed with the best managers in the last 20 odd years and Moore is by no means the worst but he is displaying a fantastic example of how NOT to manage a big club with large support and over ambitious fan base. Now rightly or wrongly we are a ambitious fanbase, and i think we all think we as a club should be at a higher level than what we are, thats not up for debate. But we are where we are and the clearout was needed. What Moore did in the summer window was quite impressive under the circumstances. Give him his dues. He should IMO have kept us up but in the summer the movement in the window was good. However, how he has managed us on the pitch is something that a lot of managers have done over the years which has ended in failure... negatively. We are clearly not fit enough, something that should have been a must for this season. They should have been pushed to the limit pre season. But the main issues is why do we not back ourselves and take it to the opposition whoever they may be ?? Attack, we have the players, we have the fans to get behind this, we have the goals in the team. We wouldnt mind losing or drawing if were going for it. But were not. Instead he has done what so many have in the past, been cautious, mismanaged the players (which has resulted in Corbeanu which is a massive blow) and lost a lot of fans faith. We lost 5-0 under Monk and lets be honest he should have gone then..... he didnt and we endured far too long with that 'manager'. We lost 5-0 last week, lets not hang about this time. It isn't really negative tactics, it's a possession based strategy that is all the rage in modern tactical thinking. We just don't do it very well and I'm not sure it's suited to this level. I agree with you, we aren't fit enough, to make this strategy work, you need to be on the move constantly to be available for passes, we stand still and are covered so the man with the ball has no options available, in trying to make a pass he gives the ball away or he's pressed and loses possession. Exactly what you don't want in possession football. Because of the lack of fitness we can't move, there's no pass on so the ball goes sideways, backwards and it becomes the negative football you complain about. If we were fitter the players could be constantly on the move, pass options open up, we can then play a tika taka style, keep possession, look for openings and run the opposition ragged. If the ball has to go back it's only so we can move it forward to try again. The tactic works if done right, play a high line press on their back line and a high defensive line to compress the play and use our greater skill to the best effect. To do that you need fast CB's, the pace of Iorfa being missing stops that option. I'm not a great fan of those tactics but they can work well if done correctly... we don't do it correctly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Dutch McLovin said: We lost 5-0 last week, lets not hang about this time. I think that shipped has sailed. And if we were to sack Moore today, how many months do you think it will take Chansiri to appoint a replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The coach Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, bobness said: I think that shipped has sailed. And if we were to sack Moore today, how many months do you think it will take Chansiri to appoint a replacement? Move quick and try and nab carlos before he goes to that brasilian outfit 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Dutch McLovin said: Just a general observation. They tire easily and the number of late goals we concede has to be in some part down to fatigue. In no part do we ever dominate a game and although all of these have other connotations but i do believe if we had a better level of fitness these things would be less apparent. I agree and I’d go a bit further. This team haven’t played at a high tempo for more than 45 minutes this season and the fact that they’re repeatedly pulling up with soft tissue injuries would support this view. I can understand this with unfit players who been without a club when they first arrive, but our seasoned pro’s are also affected. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megsonstheman Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Imagine if Bielsa had this lot......they'd be blowing out of their arses after an hour in on first training session 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S25OWL Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 I would be getting frank Lampard in - a great challenge cos he wouldn't take the crap we have been watching!! Unfortunately I think he's just waiting for his next premiership position. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airborne_rat_of_s6 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 We aren’t a big club. We stopped being so around a quarter of century ago. Big clubs don’t fall and remain fallen as long as we have. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherlyegg Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 9 hours ago, Dutch McLovin said: 20 odd years and Moore is by no means the worst He's the 2nd worse only pulis was worserer.. Jos was better Mentioned Jos just to add clarity. And how far we have fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. benway Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 9 hours ago, 123adam789 said: Corveanu 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 With all the signing by Moore other than the keeper the best players were here before Moore arrived. His inability to create a team after 24 games has gone is shocking. The players look like most of them are meeting their team mates for the first time They are so many issues to list - Moore has had enough time the only way is down further if he stays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_D Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Just keep sacking the manager until we get one who turns out slightly below average or better. That is how low my expectations have become. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dabudhabi Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 7 hours ago, prowl said: It isn't really negative tactics, it's a possession based strategy that is all the rage in modern tactical thinking. We just don't do it very well and I'm not sure it's suited to this level. I agree with you, we aren't fit enough, to make this strategy work, you need to be on the move constantly to be available for passes, we stand still and are covered so the man with the ball has no options available, in trying to make a pass he gives the ball away or he's pressed and loses possession. Exactly what you don't want in possession football. Because of the lack of fitness we can't move, there's no pass on so the ball goes sideways, backwards and it becomes the negative football you complain about. If we were fitter the players could be constantly on the move, pass options open up, we can then play a tika taka style, keep possession, look for openings and run the opposition ragged. If the ball has to go back it's only so we can move it forward to try again. The tactic works if done right, play a high line press on their back line and a high defensive line to compress the play and use our greater skill to the best effect. To do that you need fast CB's, the pace of Iorfa being missing stops that option. I'm not a great fan of those tactics but they can work well if done correctly... we don't do it correctly. This is absolutely correct 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch McLovin Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, sherlyegg said: He's the 2nd worse only pulis was worserer.. Jos was better Mentioned Jos just to add clarity. And how far we have fallen. Monk was worse than the lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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