Guest Grandad Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Is it? You'd think so reading Owlstalk and the socials this morning. It was a bad defeat and the manner of it was even worse. But it was our first defeat in 3 months. Moore is over performing at present, as are his team of freebies and loan players. Anybody that genuinely thought he could construct a team from our situation that can really push for promotion is kidding themselves. That's not Darren Moore's fault. He's making the best of the hand he's been dealt by the chairman. It would be grossly unfair to sack him now. Anything above mid table by the end of the season and he's worked a miracle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spookone Posted December 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) It really doesn’t badly affect me when we lose like some fans, even though I go to every home match, football isn’t my life like it is for some fans. I disagree a little with your comments as I think we have one of the top 6-8 squads in the division, so a good manager should realistically be able to get us into the top 6 come the end of the season. Edited December 31, 2021 by Spookone 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stripes or die Posted December 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Grandad said: Is it? You'd think so reading Owlstalk and the socials this morning. It was a bad defeat and the manner of it was even worse. But it was our first defeat in 3 months. Moore is over performing at present, as are his team of freebies and loan players. Anybody that genuinely thought he could construct a team from our situation that can really push for promotion is kidding themselves. That's not Darren Moore's fault. He's making the best of the hand he's been dealt by the chairman. It would be grossly unfair to sack him now. Anything above mid table by the end of the season and he's worked a miracle That's absolute bullsh1t to try and come out and defend last night's performance. If that performance was once a season it would be bad enough but this team under Moore seems capable of doing it once a month! This team and squad under Moore is finished. It's impossible to continue to capitulate as we do and then try to recover. It's not possible mentally for the players or manager. They have lost all credibility. 8 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Grandad Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stripes or die said: That's absolute bullsh1t to try and come out and defend last night's performance. Did you miss the bit where I said 'it was a bad defeat and the manner of it was even worse ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieman Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Stripes or die said: If that performance was once a season it would be bad enough but this team under Moore seems capable of doing it once a month! He definitely missed the 3 month unbeaten bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Stripes or die Posted December 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Grandad said: Did you miss the bit where I said 'it was a bad defeat and the manner of it was even worse ' No. And I certainly didn't miss the bit where you trotted out out the first defeat in 3 month line either or the Moore is "over-performing" line. WTF. Bizarre 8 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 16 minutes ago, Grandad said: Is it? You'd think so reading Owlstalk and the socials this morning. It was a bad defeat and the manner of it was even worse. But it was our first defeat in 3 months. Moore is over performing at present, as are his team of freebies and loan players. Anybody that genuinely thought he could construct a team from our situation that can really push for promotion is kidding themselves. That's not Darren Moore's fault. He's making the best of the hand he's been dealt by the chairman. It would be grossly unfair to sack him now. Anything above mid table by the end of the season and he's worked a miracle i wish you would stop trying to bring reason onto these pages slit your wrists like everyone else 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes or die Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Pieman said: He definitely missed the 3 month unbeaten bit No I didn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes or die Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: i wish you would stop trying to bring reason onto these pages slit your wrists like everyone else You may be happy with last night's performance and find it acceptable. I will never accept the kind of mediocrity we are being served up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 'Worked a miracle' is a bit strong in my opinion, but to expect a club in the state we were last summer, and one operating under EFL restrictions to boot, to immediately turn things around and challenge for automatic promotion, was never reasonable. With our key players available, the top six should be achievable. Unfortunately, we've not had several of them available for the majority of the season so far, and it certainly showed in our defensive third last night. Hopefully some of them return consistently for the second half of the season. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdan2003 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 It’s the manner of the defeat for me. I can take getting beaten by the better side, but Sunderland weren’t that good. We were woeful in every department and the lack of effort to close down is infuriating and worrying. But I do agree with you that maybe Moore has been over achieving. One thing we all need to keep in mind is that Moore has been forced to cobble together a team of loans and freebies. He’s not allowed to sign players who attract a fee, or require a slightly higher wage. The reason for that is because of one man…. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Stripes or die said: You may be happy with last night's performance and find it acceptable. I will never accept the kind of mediocrity we are being served up. how is being reasonable and seeing football and more importantly placing football in its proper context "being happy" with last night ? If football or any pastime made me, a grown up, as suicidal as it seems to make many on here then i'd take up knitting It was a bad result it was a terrible performance by Wednesday ( one of many ) but it was just a game of football and it cost us 3 points 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hasthagotanycheese Posted December 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2021 It wasnt our first defeat in 3 months. We got absolutely spanked by those footballing behemoths Plymouth & Hartlepool during that time. Lets not forget that both Wycombe and Rotherham who came down with us last season are both having a much better go at bouncing back out of this poxy league at the first attempt than we are. With a fraction of our budget. Going nowhere under Moore. 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes or die Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, areNOTwhatTHEYseem said: 'Worked a miracle' is a bit strong in my opinion, but to expect a club in the state we were last summer, and one operating under EFL restrictions to boot, to immediately turn things around and challenge for automatic promotion, was never reasonable. With our key players available, the top six should be achievable. Unfortunately, we've not had several of them available for the majority of the season so far, and it certainly showed in our defensive third last night. Hopefully some of them return consistently for the second half of the season. Irrespective of the availability of certain players it's the managers job to set them up in an appropriate way for the game ahead. It's also his job to get them in the right frame of mind and instill in them some confidence and self belief. We showed neither of those last night, instead we got ANOTHER capitulation! Think about that. The smart arses/trolls/apologists trying to excuse these performances are not helping the club. We need to get ruthless. It's completely unacceptable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie Madden Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Stripes or die said: Irrespective of the availability of certain players it's the managers job to set them up in an appropriate way for the game ahead. It's also his job to get them in the right frame of mind and instill in them some confidence and self belief. We showed neither of those last night, instead we got ANOTHER capitulation! Think about that. The smart arses/trolls/apologists trying to excuse these performances are not helping the club. We need to get ruthless. It's completely unacceptable. Happy new year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sheffield_dave Posted December 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2021 Self defeatist. Wonder where our budget ranks in this division, even if you remove Bannan as an outlier. This fanbase has a terminal illness. Pragmatism and realism is fine, even negativity if you want to call it that, but I don’t think I will ever feel comfortable with getting relegated and then thinking it’ll be a “miracle” just to finish mid table in the third division. Hope is the absolute minimum any football fan should have. If we’re using terms like “over performing” and “miracle” for Moore’s current performance whilst settling for third division mediocrity then the club is done. 12 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwë Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 We are the 52nd ranked side in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes or die Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: how is being reasonable and seeing football and more importantly placing football in its proper context "being happy" with last night ? If football or any pastime made me, a grown up, as suicidal as it seems to make many on here then i'd take up knitting It was a bad result it was a terrible performance by Wednesday ( one of many ) but it was just a game of football and it cost us 3 points So in what way are my opinions unreasonable? Why are you trying to position my views as "suicidal"? Because they differ to yours? I'm not suicidal thank you very much but I do find last night's performance completely unacceptable. You may choose to try to defend it I will not. It is indefensible. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes or die Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lawrie Madden said: Happy new year Same to you mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Stripes or die said: Irrespective of the availability of certain players it's the managers job to set them up in an appropriate way for the game ahead. It's also his job to get them in the right frame of mind and instill in them some confidence and self belief. We showed neither of those last night, instead we got ANOTHER capitulation! Think about that. The smart arses/trolls/apologists trying to excuse these performances are not helping the club. We need to get ruthless. It's completely unacceptable. I'm not sure what that's got to do with my post, really? Last night's performance was dreadful, yes. I still think if we make the top six by the end of the season, then we'll have done pretty well given the circumstances. As for your final point, I'm really not following. Have you now 'got ruthless'? What does that entail, and what difference has it made? Edited December 31, 2021 by areNOTwhatTHEYseem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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