WUGGAMONKEY1 Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 I didn’t disagree with some the statement but I don’t think the club should be asked to make it public knowledge if we have a cash flow problem. I mean, why would we? It would just encourage clubs to try and get some of our players cheap in the next window. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy Nickelarse Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 11 hours ago, TommyCraig said: Grow up. They could have handled it better yes but the outcry imo has been ott. Chansiri defense league? It seems you thrive on dividing fans with these childish statements. Differing opinions are what make a forum. Spot on. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Maybe in the middle minority but don't see the issue with selling ST early. Good opportunity to get them as an Xmas gift. Yes earlier than normal but like most things now look at black Fiday sales etc. The price ramp up is not too great and whatever the club do on pricing some complain, just like anything some can afford some can't Personally quite happy to buy in Dec. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Harrysgame said: Maybe in the middle minority but don't see the issue with selling ST early. Good opportunity to get them as an Xmas gift. Yes earlier than normal but like most things now look at black Fiday sales etc. The price ramp up is not too great and whatever the club do on pricing some complain, just like anything some can afford some can't Personally quite happy to buy in Dec. I get your point, I can afford myself as well personally , but I think on this one the very fast majority can’t or won’t on principle The only real way a message will get across to the club that this isn’t acceptable is if very few buy, so I’m interested to see how many don’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tactical Bacon Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 Club has clearly balanced the negative fall out against the business need and decided the business need is greater. You have to respect that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Royal_D said: I get your point, I can afford myself as well personally , but I think on this one the very fast majority can’t or won’t on principle The only real way a message will get across to the club that this isn’t acceptable is if very few buy, so I’m interested to see how many don’t I appreciate it is not for all and don't agree with many aspects of the running of the club, especially finances. Maybe many won't buy now, but for those who do it's a good deal. Don't want to the whole cost of football tickets etc. But even if I was paying 415 plus 150 for the kids personally that is good value for the time I spend with them at the games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 4, 2021 Author Share Posted December 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Tactical Bacon said: Club has clearly balanced the negative fall out against the business need and decided the business need is greater. You have to respect that Wow 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted December 4, 2021 Share Posted December 4, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcguigan Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 19 hours ago, kirksandallowl said: Apart from the fact they are next years season tickets so would have no bearing on this years accounts/figures Of course it does, that’s why most clubs do early bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirksandallowl Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Mcguigan said: Of course it does, that’s why most clubs do early bird. It really doesn’t, it helps cash flow yes, which is why most clubs do it, but not the EFL submissions of accounts. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGaffer Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Mcguigan said: Of course it does, that’s why most clubs do early bird. You're not allowed to in a financial accounting perspective. Unsure on the football league rules which may be different. What it does do is put the actual cash in the bank but accountancy wise you can't change the financial year the cash is used for 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buxtongent Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 My advice, for what it's worth, to Mr Chansiri, would be simple, WITHDRAW THE OFFER IMMEDIATELY . End of. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Tom Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 03/12/2021 at 22:38, ANDY said: What sort of cash flow is this likely to generate. ? it’ll probably be in the tens of thousands as opposed to the hundreds of thousands. what will that stretch too ? Pay Bannan for a month or two ? At the median cost of £445 you’d only need 225 takers to net £100k. He’ll shift a lot more than that at these prices IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 7 hours ago, Buxtongent said: My advice, for what it's worth, to Mr Chansiri, would be simple, WITHDRAW THE OFFER IMMEDIATELY . End of. Why? If you want to buy one why not. Those who don't can get one later. Club are giving a choice, just like any other business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 Just now, Harrysgame said: Why? If you want to buy one why not. Those who don't can get one later. Club are giving a choice, just like any other business. Oh not this one again... Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrysgame Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Oh not this one again... Afraid so natter what the club do, we still seem to always have a similar number of ST holders. So we keep on making the same choice to buy them, no matter what the club do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Harrysgame said: Afraid so natter what the club do, we still seem to always have a similar number of ST holders. So we keep on making the same choice to buy them, no matter what the club do. Very true mate! I think season ticket holders buy their season tickets despite anything / anyone And that’s great It should be recognised and appreciated more I think 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 On 03/12/2021 at 22:24, catdog1121 said: Quite clearly the club needs an injection of money, for those that are able to provide the injection now there is a reward, I don't really get the arguments... The timing of the offer in December which is the most expensive month of the year in the run-up to Christmas and New Year. It is quite obvious the club needs cash flow relatively quickly, if it had been from January there would have been complaints that its just after Christmas where historically nobody has any money, or after the deadline for self assessment tax payment so self employed people are skint. The club is doing a frankly fantastic deal for those able to help the club, for those that can't then there is only a modest increase compared to last year, what is so bad about the club offering such a good deal, there really is no pleasing some people No sense of understanding from the club of the current cost of living crisis and the impact that it will be having on some fans Really freezing the season ticket cost, if we do go up that will be one of the cheapest Championship season tickets... I think by offering such a good deal the club is understanding.. The total lack of any reasonable notice would have allowed fans to save up at least some money towards season tickets. I agree that more notice would have helped although in the past when season tickets have gone on sale later in the year there is not loads of notice, if they had given an extra months notice I am sure people would have still complained its too close the Christmas we need more notice.. The lack of any interest-free financing option being made available to fans by the club. There would be a cost to this as there is all sorts of paperwork involved in effectively becoming a lender, plus surely everyone would renew at the early bird prices but then pay later or just not pay, the idea of early bird season tickets is so the club can know how much money they have for the coming season so can budget accordingly, if people don't pay there will be an outcry of you can't take them to court just cancel the season ticket, that does not help with budgeting.. The price increases kicking in as the sales window progresses, effectively punishing those fans who can’t afford to spend the cash at the earliest point in the window. This has gone of for years, what about people that cant afford to pay for a season ticket so pay on the gate, they pay more, what about people that cant afford every game, they pay more... Its not punishing anyone its rewarding those that commit early, I think virtually every club has the same policy to season ticket sales.. That the refunds process for the 19/20 season is still not completed. This is one thing that I do think is totally unacceptable and is a stain on the club that should be sorted by now... I never liked the owls trust and I don't like this lot, I am not against the principles of a supporters group engaging with the club but when they come up with such tripe and seem to be so anti the clubs leadership to gain political traction with fans then it just divides the club... Love or Hate DC he is the owner, he has poured money into the club and yes silly mistakes were made but were still in so much of a better state than we were under Allen if DC had not have stepped in we could be in the situation of Derby or be out of existence. That is not to say he should not be challenged but there are ways of doing this, rather than openly criticising they should have been applauding the club for such a great deal and asking then picking with one comment such as asking for an extension to the first round of early bird specials so that more people could take advantage rather than go on a rant of a list of points which I would think would just turn DC away from this lot.. Exactly this. This is why I have to disagree with the trust. There is better ways of engaging with DC than just reeling off moans. Yes it's a nice idea but could have been done better. The trust seems to ne to be far to antagonistic for me to be supportive in any way 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted December 5, 2021 Share Posted December 5, 2021 1 hour ago, @owlstalk said: Very true mate! I think season ticket holders buy their season tickets despite anything / anyone And that’s great It should be recognised and appreciated more I think This is a great idea. Why not DC coming up with some more benefits for the loyal st buyers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 5, 2021 Author Share Posted December 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, hirstys_achilles said: Exactly this. This is why I have to disagree with the trust. There is better ways of engaging with DC than just reeling off moans. Yes it's a nice idea but could have been done better. The trust seems to ne to be far to antagonistic for me to be supportive in any way What would you suggest they should have done instead? 1 Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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