Lincowl Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Current one ranks among the worst. Never sure why these charts don’t use points per game instead of win percentage. That’s what it all comes down to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogers Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 21 hours ago, Gob_Bluth said: That list… what dross we’ve had. Add Paul Jewell, Jos, and a few others as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poite Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 I suppose it's about defining 'worst'. Our most damaging manager was probably Wilson. Couldn't handle the talent, discarded them and relegated us. Yorath was a nice bloke but we were absolutely dreadful under him. Jos and Pulis were horrendous. Despite the promotion I have never disliked a manager as much as Dave Jones. Horrible, arrogant throw piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwestsleftear Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 22 hours ago, Gob_Bluth said: seems about right..Moore the best ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4evaowl Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 In my lifetime, probably Steve Burtenshaw over a relatively long period but for poor football and under achievement it has to be Pulis for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlerIT2 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Inspector Lestrade said: Nah that proper one Paul Jewell ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerson Thome Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 A good manager leaves the club in a better position than they arrived at. Here's how Wednesday's post-war managers have fared: +40 = Jack Charlton (24th in Div 3 to 6th in Div 2) +20 = Harry Catterick (22nd in Div 1 to 2nd in Div 1) +19 = Howard Wilkinson (6th in Div 2 to 7th in Div 1) +17 = Paul Sturrock (14th in Div 3 to 21st in Div 2) +12 = Trevor Francis (3rd in Div 2 to 13th in Div 1) +10 = Stuart Gray (23rd in Div 2 to 13th in Div 2) +9 = Gary Megson (12th in Div 3 to 3rd in Div 3) +4 = Steve Bruce (16th in Div 2 to 12th in Div 2) +4 = Dave Jones (3rd in Div 3 to 23rd in Div 2) +3 = Ron Atkinson II (19th in Div 1 to 16th in Div 1) +1 = Jack Marshall (13th in Div 1 to 12th in Div 1) +1 = Peter Shreeves (24th in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) +1 = Terry Yorath (23rd in Div 2 to 22nd in Div 2) 0 = Tony Pulis (23rd in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) -2 = Jos Luhukay (16th in Div 2 to 18th in Div 2) -2 = Carlos Carvalhal (13th in Div 2 to 15th in Div 2) -3 = Danny Wilson (16th in Div 1 to 19th in Div 1) -5* = Ron Atkinson I (18th in Div 1 to 3rd in Div 2) -5 = Vic Buckingham (2nd in Div 1 to 7th in Div 1) -6 = Brian Laws (16th in Div 2 to 22nd in Div 2) -7 = Alan Brown (6th in Div 1 to 13th in Div 1) -7 = David Pleat (13th in Div 1 to 20th in Div 1) -12 = Len Ashurst (12th in Div 3 to 24th in Div 3) -12 = Garry Monk (11th in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) -13 = Peter Eustace (5th in Div 1 to 18th in Div 1) -14 = Alan Irvine (22nd in Div 2 to 12th in Div 3) -15 = Chris Turner (23rd in Div 2 to 14th in Div 3) -18 = Steve Burtenshaw (20th in Div 2 to 16th in Div 3) -19 = Danny Williams (15th in Div 1 to 12th in Div 2) -25 = Paul Jewell (19th in Div 1 to 24th in Div 2) *left after a promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReginaldD Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 16 hours ago, TrickyTrev said: I don’t know where you’ve taken those transfer fees from but taking a look at transfer market, Wilson signed… Gerald Sibon - £3m Giles De Bilde - £4.5m Wim Jonk (who’d recently played for Holland in a World Cup semi final) - £2.52m That’s an outlay of £10m on 3 players. At the back end of the 90’s that was a lot of money and considering what he spent in comparison to his predecessor Ron Atkinson I’d say that was being “heavily backed”. Regardless, it was certainly enough you’d think for us to finish above Bradford City and stay up in the 99/00 season. There will have been others (I can’t really be bothered to check) but off the top of my head another managerial gaff from him was the ridiculous swap deal he pulled off with Jim Magilton and Danny Sonner. Some moments of decent football from that team. Sonner sending off in this game certainly didn't help when 3-2 up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inspector Lestrade Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 3 hours ago, OwlerIT2 said: Paul Jewell ? Thats him... cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 No argument it was Eustace. He really was useless. I remember it well. We had a decent team then. None of the players would play for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Too many managers to mention. Some were hindered by genuine circumstances particularly financial, some were just sh!t. The latter days of Francis set us on the path we are now on. Replacing good quality players with sh!te. Pleat and Wilson continued the trend until we eventually did what were threatening to do for years and get relegated from the prem. Every manager since has struggled to cope with the fallout of that relegation perhaps with the exception of Carlos. Since him managers have struggled to cope with the failed gamble under Chansiri to get back to the prem hence why we now are where we are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adelphi1867 Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 01/12/2021 at 20:58, Salmonbones said: Asking because I'm quite young and don't know stats going back that long. Danny Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmigo Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Alan Irvine was laughably bad as a manager. Truly hopeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickly Kevin Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Pulis Jos and Irvine really stick out in my mind as the worst. However by the time Francis left the team was a shell of the one he inherited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Of The Roasters Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 12 hours ago, Emerson Thome said: A good manager leaves the club in a better position than they arrived at. It's an interesting analysis, but a bit simplistic because it takes no account of the wider state of the club, the squad they inherited or the length of their employment. Brian Laws, for example, is -6, but managed the club during some of it's darkest most difficult times. If he'd left after his first or second season his balance would have been positive. Terry Yorath is +1, but 23rd to 22nd is hardly a ringing endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brando Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 19 hours ago, Emerson Thome said: A good manager leaves the club in a better position than they arrived at. Here's how Wednesday's post-war managers have fared: +40 = Jack Charlton (24th in Div 3 to 6th in Div 2) +20 = Harry Catterick (22nd in Div 1 to 2nd in Div 1) +19 = Howard Wilkinson (6th in Div 2 to 7th in Div 1) +17 = Paul Sturrock (14th in Div 3 to 21st in Div 2) +12 = Trevor Francis (3rd in Div 2 to 13th in Div 1) +10 = Stuart Gray (23rd in Div 2 to 13th in Div 2) +9 = Gary Megson (12th in Div 3 to 3rd in Div 3) +4 = Steve Bruce (16th in Div 2 to 12th in Div 2) +4 = Dave Jones (3rd in Div 3 to 23rd in Div 2) +3 = Ron Atkinson II (19th in Div 1 to 16th in Div 1) +1 = Jack Marshall (13th in Div 1 to 12th in Div 1) +1 = Peter Shreeves (24th in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) +1 = Terry Yorath (23rd in Div 2 to 22nd in Div 2) 0 = Tony Pulis (23rd in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) -2 = Jos Luhukay (16th in Div 2 to 18th in Div 2) -2 = Carlos Carvalhal (13th in Div 2 to 15th in Div 2) -3 = Danny Wilson (16th in Div 1 to 19th in Div 1) -5* = Ron Atkinson I (18th in Div 1 to 3rd in Div 2) -5 = Vic Buckingham (2nd in Div 1 to 7th in Div 1) -6 = Brian Laws (16th in Div 2 to 22nd in Div 2) -7 = Alan Brown (6th in Div 1 to 13th in Div 1) -7 = David Pleat (13th in Div 1 to 20th in Div 1) -12 = Len Ashurst (12th in Div 3 to 24th in Div 3) -12 = Garry Monk (11th in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) -13 = Peter Eustace (5th in Div 1 to 18th in Div 1) -14 = Alan Irvine (22nd in Div 2 to 12th in Div 3) -15 = Chris Turner (23rd in Div 2 to 14th in Div 3) -18 = Steve Burtenshaw (20th in Div 2 to 16th in Div 3) -19 = Danny Williams (15th in Div 1 to 12th in Div 2) -25 = Paul Jewell (19th in Div 1 to 24th in Div 2) *left after a promotion Finally stats that make sense..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 -2 = Carlos Carvalhal (13th in Div 2 to 15th in Div 2) What a failure HE was on and off the pitch Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chow Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 (edited) Irvine for me, but the guy had lots of badges Edited December 3, 2021 by Mr. Chow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@owlstalk Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 19 hours ago, Emerson Thome said: A good manager leaves the club in a better position than they arrived at. Here's how Wednesday's post-war managers have fared: +40 = Jack Charlton (24th in Div 3 to 6th in Div 2) +20 = Harry Catterick (22nd in Div 1 to 2nd in Div 1) +19 = Howard Wilkinson (6th in Div 2 to 7th in Div 1) +17 = Paul Sturrock (14th in Div 3 to 21st in Div 2) +12 = Trevor Francis (3rd in Div 2 to 13th in Div 1) +10 = Stuart Gray (23rd in Div 2 to 13th in Div 2) +9 = Gary Megson (12th in Div 3 to 3rd in Div 3) +4 = Steve Bruce (16th in Div 2 to 12th in Div 2) +4 = Dave Jones (3rd in Div 3 to 23rd in Div 2) +3 = Ron Atkinson II (19th in Div 1 to 16th in Div 1) +1 = Jack Marshall (13th in Div 1 to 12th in Div 1) +1 = Peter Shreeves (24th in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) +1 = Terry Yorath (23rd in Div 2 to 22nd in Div 2) 0 = Tony Pulis (23rd in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) -2 = Jos Luhukay (16th in Div 2 to 18th in Div 2) -2 = Carlos Carvalhal (13th in Div 2 to 15th in Div 2) -3 = Danny Wilson (16th in Div 1 to 19th in Div 1) -5* = Ron Atkinson I (18th in Div 1 to 3rd in Div 2) -5 = Vic Buckingham (2nd in Div 1 to 7th in Div 1) -6 = Brian Laws (16th in Div 2 to 22nd in Div 2) -7 = Alan Brown (6th in Div 1 to 13th in Div 1) -7 = David Pleat (13th in Div 1 to 20th in Div 1) -12 = Len Ashurst (12th in Div 3 to 24th in Div 3) -12 = Garry Monk (11th in Div 2 to 23rd in Div 2) -13 = Peter Eustace (5th in Div 1 to 18th in Div 1) -14 = Alan Irvine (22nd in Div 2 to 12th in Div 3) -15 = Chris Turner (23rd in Div 2 to 14th in Div 3) -18 = Steve Burtenshaw (20th in Div 2 to 16th in Div 3) -19 = Danny Williams (15th in Div 1 to 12th in Div 2) -25 = Paul Jewell (19th in Div 1 to 24th in Div 2) *left after a promotion +12 = Trevor Francis (3rd in Div 2 to 13th in Div 1) Is that correct? When did he get us promoted to the top division? Owlstalk Shop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter Morgan Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 Alan Irvine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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