fpowl Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 How long as he been at the club? did I dream Moore brought one in a month or so ago to help with the mental side of the game and why we keep drawing or losing points from winning positions As the change of recent form ( bit early to say ) or the more attacking play in both half of the games been a contribution to the work this blokes done or is it just clicking for us now I always wondered how you measure the actual success of these appointments obviously a turn around in results or performances is the one I get that. my point being do we know if this has been a factor of the recent improvement or is it coincidental 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, fpowl said: How long as he been at the club? did I dream Moore brought one in a month or so ago to help with the mental side of the game and why we keep drawing or losing points from winning positions As the change of recent form ( bit early to say ) or the more attacking play in both half of the games been a contribution to the work this blokes done or is it just clicking for us now I always wondered how you measure the actual success of these appointments obviously a turn around in results or performances is the one I get that. my point being do we know if this has been a factor of the recent improvement or is it coincidental These things are notoriously difficult to measure. We start winning when a sports psychologist is appointed, Luongo returns, we’ve settled on a system and the players are starting to gel. Which one is responsible? The answer is of course all of them. But which has contributed and which is coincidental is very hard to quantify. Edited November 25, 2021 by CircleSeven 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Pretty sure the return of Luongo and the regular selection of Corbeanu is much more likely the reason for recent results. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youth Hawker Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Maybe Moore is a fan of Ted Lasso and he's the one been spending most time with the Sports Psychologist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanharper Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 iirc Moore said the psychologist had been here for a while and was doing "a great job". Which made everybody laugh as at the time we were on a run when we were unable to beat and were conceding late equalisers against Cheltenham, Wimbledon, Lincoln etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobness Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 3 hours ago, fpowl said: How long as he been at the club? did I dream Moore brought one in a month or so ago I think the article was published recently, but in it it's stated that the sports psychologist had been with us since the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
room0035 Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 hours ago, fpowl said: How long as he been at the club? did I dream Moore brought one in a month or so ago to help with the mental side of the game and why we keep drawing or losing points from winning positions As the change of recent form ( bit early to say ) or the more attacking play in both half of the games been a contribution to the work this blokes done or is it just clicking for us now I always wondered how you measure the actual success of these appointments obviously a turn around in results or performances is the one I get that. my point being do we know if this has been a factor of the recent improvement or is it coincidental Nope Injuries to key defenders has forced Moore to play attacking football and drop the tippy tappy rubbish from the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theowlsman Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Can't be down to him, he's off with depression 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hirstys_achilles Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 Improvement is from the combination of small gains that in total add up to a substantial benefit to the club. Psychology is a major part of any sport. How we analyse the effectiveness of the person in the job is very difficult to determine. There is so many different things that are going to effect on results. I sure there is no scientific evidence that you can use to support how much the psychology is helping or not. Training and tactics is probably very similar at all clubs. The manager is most effective in getting good results by doing psychological things that make players feel confident happy and important to the team. All the best managers could do this with players. Ron Atkinson comes to mind as someone very good at getting best from players by saying what they wanted to hear 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 Was it Ron Atkinson who used to put another man up front when he got a man sent off brilliant 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Henderson Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 17 hours ago, fpowl said: Was it Ron Atkinson who used to put another man up front when he got a man sent off brilliant Never heard that before, but it's a mad genius of an idea. If you're a man down the chances are you're going to lose. So why not do the opposite of what everyone is expecting you to do, after all you've not much to lose. I'm sure though if there were any stats on this they might not look too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fpowl Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Willie Henderson said: Never heard that before, but it's a mad genius of an idea. If you're a man down the chances are you're going to lose. So why not do the opposite of what everyone is expecting you to do, after all you've not much to lose. I'm sure though if there were any stats on this they might not look too good. Think the idea was that the opposition always goes more attacking so throwing an extra body up top gave them something to think about and they had to keep players back if you think about it one big ball out of defence to three up top can cause all kinds of problems back in the day like you say mad genius 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 25/11/2021 at 09:43, Blatter said: Pretty sure the return of Luongo and the regular selection of Corbeanu is much more likely the reason for recent results. Hold your horses, he's played 130 minutes across two games since September. Luongo is a very good player at this level, but to say that 130 minutes in two fixtures and he is therefore heavily responsible for an upturn in form across the last half a dozen games or so is a bit... much... isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatter Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: Hold your horses, he's played 130 minutes across two games since September. Luongo is a very good player at this level, but to say that 130 minutes in two fixtures and he is therefore heavily responsible for an upturn in form across the last half a dozen games or so is a bit... much... isn't it? You wouldn’t be a certain sport psychologist working for Sheffield Wednesday by any chance would you? Good luck with the studies, hope you qualify soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musn't Grumble Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 25/11/2021 at 15:06, hirstys_achilles said: Improvement is from the combination of small gains that in total add up to a substantial benefit to the club. Psychology is a major part of any sport. How we analyse the effectiveness of the person in the job is very difficult to determine. There is so many different things that are going to effect on results. I sure there is no scientific evidence that you can use to support how much the psychology is helping or not. Training and tactics is probably very similar at all clubs. The manager is most effective in getting good results by doing psychological things that make players feel confident happy and important to the team. All the best managers could do this with players. Ron Atkinson comes to mind as someone very good at getting best from players by saying what they wanted to hear One of the measurables is results, surely? Sport England will typically measure medals at Olympic, World and European competition to determine how much support is given to governing bodies. Currently, most sports (not football) are working on four year funding cycles on that premise. However, you are bang on about percentages. Small changed in behaviour, fitness, skill, approach, etc... and even comfort (i.e. I know first hand of one set of athletes who used to travel with their own pillows to help get a good night's sleep) add up to a lot in the final reckoning. A good coach will be able to find those percentage points and manage them accordingly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidstoneowl Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 it all in mind like dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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