Darren Moore

[marshy]

10 hours ago, SiJ said:

Tbf, he did bring on those two players. 

 

I've been critical of Moore, but to give him zero credit for tonight's win is ridiculous. 

And, they we're brought on the pitch at the right time which made a huge difference. Moore has been guilty of either not making the decisions at all and swapping players around the pitch to no avail, or making a decision with 10 mins to go. Both Mass and Josh made the fifference last night and that quality came through, but they were given the time to do it. Well done Darren.

[matthefish2002]

4 hours ago, Morepork said:

I haven’t seen the game but result aside, removing that “monkey on our back” that was not winning a game we’d gone behind in since 2016 is a massive positive. Well done.

 

I think that is away from home which still stands.

Before last night I think last time we came from behind to win at home was December 2019 v Brentford.

 

 

[matthefish2002]

In modern football no manager is more than 3 games away from being hailed as a hero or a numpty.

Biggest thing in Darren Moores favour last night compared to a few weeks ago is that he now has better players available.

 

 

[Ash77]

10 hours ago, TodwickOwl said:

Credit where it’s due totally - but to start generalising he has no plan b etc is a ridiculous statement to make after we’ve watched some turgid football.

 

Tonight, and the last few has been much better - and like I’ve just said in a previous thread, Corbeanu has been the one that’s driven the change - a guy Moore left on the bench for the first 15 games ish of the season. 

 

Agree, theo 2 assists, 2 goals since starting on left, there was little threat before he started playing there, was almost a last roll of dice that massively paid off.

 

Wonder if shodipo could have a shout for a go at rwb at some point and cause teams problems on both sides?

Edited November 24, 2021 by Ash77

[DJMortimer]

1 hour ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Moore Haters are like anti vaxx conspiracy theorists. 
 

They’ve made their minds up now, they believe they are right, and they won’t listen to facts and stats and any proof they are totally wrong 

Lost souls looking for attention 

 

Just ignore em 

 

And it's a never ending cycle. I would bet that many of them had precisely the same attitude towards Pulis, Monk, Bullen, Luhukay,  Carvalhal, Gray etc.

 

This remorseless second guessing and negativity says much more about those indulging in it and the direction of society generally than it does about football or those earning a living from it.

[Mike Hunt]

4 minutes ago, Ash77 said:

 

Agree, theo 2 assists, 2 goals since starting on left, there was little threat before he started playing there, was almost a last roll of dice that massively paid off.

 

Wonder if shodipo could have a shout for a go at rwb at some point and cause teams problems on both sides?

No definitely not , that’s what caused us problems before trying to play 2 wingers in a 433 plus Shopido has shown nothing to say he deserves a start  

[Ash77]

8 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

No definitely not , that’s what caused us problems before trying to play 2 wingers in a 433 plus Shopido has shown nothing to say he deserves a start  

Meant rwb in a 352, shodipo got 13 goals/assists at oxford so think he could come good in the right spot, but fair enough

Edited November 24, 2021 by Ash77

[Big Jack]

People are quick to criticise DM without anyone one of us having a clue what happenings during training.

We have know idea how the coaches work with the players and how the players respond to the coaching.

However despite hearing  some people claiming the players dont  want to play for him, there is absolutely zero

evidence on the contrary the players definitely seem behind DM.

It was never going to be easy to completely overhaul the team and then build a new one. I always knew it would 

take anyone time to turn things round and there has been many dire performances , chopping and changing of players,

playing players out  of position , injuries etc.

There is along way to go but I certainly have felt we should stick with DM and see where it takes us .

I do personally feel that no one will work harder than DM, lets be honest he would have had to work far harder than

many other coaches in order to get where he is today. Will he be successful time will tell but  truly think some of the 

criticism has received at times has been unjustified.

 

[Guest Jack the Hat]

2 hours ago, @owlstalk said:

 

Moore Haters are like anti vaxx conspiracy theorists. 
 

They’ve made their minds up now, they believe they are right, and they won’t listen to facts and stats and any proof they are totally wrong 

Lost souls looking for attention 

 

Just ignore em 

That is not a fair comment at all. It is understandable why people do not think he is the right man for the job. You marginalise them (despite one of the polls showing 80% wanting him out at one time) and describe them as haters, when most are just expressing doubts. Also a couple of wins is not proof they are totally wrong. Personally I have had doubts about him since day one and still do with the squad we have. But if we were going to change him it would have been 6 weeks ago and with the upturn in performances not giving him the season now would be insanity. But i'm still far from convinced we wouldn't be higher up the league with a more experienced manager.The last 2 performances are all we have asked for and the man now gets 100% support from me. Does that make me a hater?

[FreshOwl]

It’s looking good at the minute, but experience has taught me not to get overconfident with this team/club 

 

If we can stay in a similar run of form up until Christmas then I may just start believing it could be a special season 

[parajack]

11 hours ago, striker said:

Credit deserved tonight, as criticism was deserved previously.

 

Consistency will change the optics, but getting hard to beat, then consistently winning will change opinion, including mine in terms of what we're trying to achieve.

 

We've been on an upward trajectory  performance wise  for a few league games to be fair. Let's keep that going. 

 

If we can consolidate in the top 6 going into Christmas, that gives us something to build on, because the top 2 not a million miles away. 

 

 

its football Jim,but not as we know it.........

[parajack]

17 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said:

That is not a fair comment at all. It is understandable why people do not think he is the right man for the job. You marginalise them (despite one of the polls showing 80% wanting him out at one time) and describe them as haters, when most are just expressing doubts. Also a couple of wins is not proof they are totally wrong. Personally I have had doubts about him since day one and still do with the squad we have. But if we were going to change him it would have been 6 weeks ago and with the upturn in performances not giving him the season now would be insanity. But i'm still far from convinced we wouldn't be higher up the league with a more experienced manager.The last 2 performances are all we have asked for and the man now gets 100% support from me. Does that make me a hater?

Pretty much how i feel DM a nice bloke,and damn decent human being,but since when did that ever make a difference in football?

I personally agree that we should have been higher and should never have even attempted the playing it out nonsense last season,when in my view it contributed to us losing points,and getting relegated.

Maybe the lads felt that DM was under pressure & went for it last night,if so good for them,good for DM,and good for Wednesday....

UP THE OWLS.....and well done DM for last night.....

It needs to continue,though Darren,and we need to see  some consistency moving forward...no more regressing to a lone striker and PLEASE no passing it out!!!!!

[DJMortimer]

24 minutes ago, Jack the Hat said:

That is not a fair comment at all. It is understandable why people do not think he is the right man for the job. You marginalise them (despite one of the polls showing 80% wanting him out at one time) and describe them as haters, when most are just expressing doubts. Also a couple of wins is not proof they are totally wrong. Personally I have had doubts about him since day one and still do with the squad we have. But if we were going to change him it would have been 6 weeks ago and with the upturn in performances not giving him the season now would be insanity. But i'm still far from convinced we wouldn't be higher up the league with a more experienced manager.The last 2 performances are all we have asked for and the man now gets 100% support from me. Does that make me a hater?

 

Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on you personally, but making general observations here...

 

A lot of it is nothing more than self-fulfilling and inconsistent rambling. Supposed basic principles that will be endlessly parroted by the self-appointed experts like keeping to a settled team, not moving players around different positions and having a focus in attack have not prevented Pep Guardiola from being enormously successful. If you want to criticise a manager using such accepted wisdoms it is one of the easiest things in the world and requires no insight whatsoever, especially when those indulging in it see no reason to hold themselves accountable.

 

As for the reference to being 'totally wrong' about Moore we're just 5 points from the top of the division and have lost only 3 league games all season. This is under the leadership of someone who recently 'had to go', is 'clueless' and whose position was 'untenable'. That seems to me to be an extremely unrealistic standard he is being held to if he is failing so badly. Unfortunately though, people find it easier to maintain their position and keep blustering rather than having the integrity to acknowledge their over-reactions and lack of perspective. Sometimes, this requires appointing blame for things that are entirely speculative or even simply invented from nothing.

[areNOTwhatTHEYseem]

1 minute ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on you personally, but making general observations here...

 

A lot of it is nothing more than self-fulfilling and inconsistent rambling. Supposed basic principles that will be endlessly parroted by the self-appointed experts like keeping to a settled team, not moving players around different positions and having a focus in attack have not prevented Pep Guardiola from being enormously successful. If you want to criticise a manager using such accepted wisdoms it is one of the easiest things in the world and requires no insight whatsoever, especially when those indulging in it see no reason to hold themselves accountable.

 

As for the reference to being 'totally wrong' about Moore we're just 5 points from the top of the division and have lost only 3 league games all season. This is under the leadership of someone who recently 'had to go', is 'clueless' and whose position was 'untenable'. That seems to me to be an extremely unrealistic standard he is being held to if he is failing so badly. Unfortunately though, people find it easier to maintain their position and keep blustering rather than having the integrity to acknowledge their over-reactions and lack of perspective. Sometimes, this requires appointing blame for things that are entirely speculative or even simply invented from nothing.

 

Nicely put.

 

Some of the comments about Moore this season have been extreme, even by Owlstalk standards.

 

There seems to be a minority of posters who appear to be dead against him for some reason, and who take every opportunity to try to stoke negativity towards him. 

[stocksyuto]

1 hour ago, Mike Hunt said:

No definitely not , that’s what caused us problems before trying to play 2 wingers in a 433 plus Shopido has shown nothing to say he deserves a start  

Exactly the same thoughts regarding shodipo, he’s down nothing when given the chance he needs to step up big time or he’s got no chance, I wouldn’t send him back either as I’d rather he stay with us and do foook all than go to another lge1 club and win them games

[Bannofan]

23 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on you personally, but making general observations here...

 

A lot of it is nothing more than self-fulfilling and inconsistent rambling. Supposed basic principles that will be endlessly parroted by the self-appointed experts like keeping to a settled team, not moving players around different positions and having a focus in attack have not prevented Pep Guardiola from being enormously successful. If you want to criticise a manager using such accepted wisdoms it is one of the easiest things in the world and requires no insight whatsoever, especially when those indulging in it see no reason to hold themselves accountable.

 

As for the reference to being 'totally wrong' about Moore we're just 5 points from the top of the division and have lost only 3 league games all season. This is under the leadership of someone who recently 'had to go', is 'clueless' and whose position was 'untenable'. That seems to me to be an extremely unrealistic standard he is being held to if he is failing so badly. Unfortunately though, people find it easier to maintain their position and keep blustering rather than having the integrity to acknowledge their over-reactions and lack of perspective. Sometimes, this requires appointing blame for things that are entirely speculative or even simply invented from nothing.

 

This is absolutely bang on!

 

I know you don't stray too far from ' Matchday', but this also applies to the ' Conservative' thread in politics, strangely enough. 

[Guest Jack the Hat]

16 minutes ago, DJMortimer said:

 

Just to be clear, I'm not commenting on you personally, but making general observations here...

 

A lot of it is nothing more than self-fulfilling and inconsistent rambling. Supposed basic principles that will be endlessly parroted by the self-appointed experts like keeping to a settled team, not moving players around different positions and having a focus in attack have not prevented Pep Guardiola from being enormously successful. If you want to criticise a manager using such accepted wisdoms it is one of the easiest things in the world and requires no insight whatsoever, especially when those indulging in it see no reason to hold themselves accountable.

 

As for the reference to being 'totally wrong' about Moore we're just 5 points from the top of the division and have lost only 3 league games all season. This is under the leadership of someone who recently 'had to go', is 'clueless' and whose position was 'untenable'. That seems to me to be an extremely unrealistic standard he is being held to if he is failing so badly. Unfortunately though, people find it easier to maintain their position and keep blustering rather than having the integrity to acknowledge their over-reactions and lack of perspective. Sometimes, this requires appointing blame for things that are entirely speculative or even simply invented from nothing.

This comes from both camps though. As often happens in society these days, the ones who feel they have virtue on their side - in this case the ones who have stuck by Moore - feel the ends justify the means and as such insults are justified - ie the random and irrelevant anti vaxxing comment and the  existential  'lost souls' reference. These phrases are clearly used in a derogatory manner and the reason I replied. Whilst I agree modern football is fluid, coming to a team with 10 games to save themselves and trying to shoehorn a system which doesn't suit them demonstrates a point of inexperience , which is neither self fulfilling or rambling, rather an opinion based on watching and playing an awful lot of football over many years. Wouldn't common sense dictate you play out the season to your strengths (like the Cardiff game) and change the system in the summer? Whilst your post is good I feel you lose your way with the 'totally wrong' comment has how can this be, to coin your phrase - self fulfilling - until the season is over?

[Roy Of The Roasters]

1 hour ago, FreshOwl said:

It’s looking good at the minute, but experience has taught me not to get overconfident with this team/club 

 

If one bad thing has come out of last nights victory, it's that in just a matter of hours expectations have been raised extremely high.

 

Obviously we should celebrate the result, the performance, the comeback from a goal down and the injury time winner. And encouragingly it seems form-wise we're on an upward trajectory.

 

But there are going to be setbacks. There will still be games the team fails to click, or in which we struggle against sides whose only tactic is to frustrate us. And sooner or later the unbeaten run will come to an end.

 

So lets enjoy last night, but not kid ourselves that every game will be like that.

[Antisolar]

Congratulations to Darren Moore and the squad, given th e massive influx of players, i think last night it proves that we are finally turning the corner.  for the last 5 years we have been on a downward and painful spiral.  Chris Turner said on his appointment that stopping the slide at his club was like trying to stop a runaway train with a matchstick.  Darren has had the same job, luckily for us and  more tellingly he has done it in half the time Turner did and is probably 10 places higher in the table.

 

Lets not get too high or get too low, this will be a long, bumpy and winding road.  The best thing we can do is support the team including the manager.

[Dutch McLovin]

15 hours ago, McRightSide said:

No plan B they said

 

No attacking enough they said

 

No good at substitutions they said 

 

How nice was it to see him confidently punching the air? For the first time he had the confidence he wasn’t at risk of being fired 

The points people had were all valid.

 

However he has changed and yesterday he did everything right. People can’t complain if he carries on in that vain. 
 

He was rightly criticised and for yesterday he was rightly praised.