Daizan10 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 59 minutes ago, debram said: Its been quite the norm in most games, start off well and then once the other side gets to grips we pack in, purely down to bad management. Id say its more down to the confidence levels and the midset of the players. We concede and they think they are done. Our captain doesn't help - he tends to either shout abuse at people or let his head go down, when what they need is someone to get them going. I wouldn't put this on Moore - its been an issue since 2016. The playing of Jaden Brown, however, is all on him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, swfcGibbo said: Good summary. Point 7 however is IMO due to the injury crisis. We had a striker and a right back playing in a central 3. No it’s not down to injuries he had a right back playing at left back, a left back playing on the wing and a forward at right back he’s off his head 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheffield_dave Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 49 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said: All season we have committed players foreword for the first part of the games and leaving us exposed at the back We got away with it for a few games until other managers sussed us out The first game at Plymouth being a prime example A lot of posters on here have been saying we should Atack teams more but this has been our undoing especially now our defence has been decimated but Moore hasn’t been able to work out any other plan or tactic At least on paper you can sort of see what Moore is wanting to do. You can play 3 at the back and have two wing backs as attacking as you want them, near enough as more traditional attacking wide players if you want. As long as you've got at least one midfielder player who is a disciplined ball winner and capable of acting as a shield just infront of that back 3, you should never really have any less than 4 "defenders" at any one time regardless of how far forward your wingbacks are. Our problem is that we simply don't have the personnel to make this work. We don't have 3 first team quality defenders who can form a stable, efficient back 3. We don't have any presence and are far too weak in midfield, which gives us absolutely no protection through the middle - a problem I think we've had and continually failed to address since Wembley. There is no link between the defence and midfield in either a defensive or attacking sense, hence why we end up with Bannan sometimes ending up at centre back and trying to play this weird quarterback role he drifts into. To be honest I'm shocked that more of our draws haven't turned into defeats, because we are so aimless and disjointed with our system and shape. It's no wonder that the standout team in the division have hammered us twice, and it should go without saying that Marvin Johnson and Patterson being in this "back 3" is just a total non-starter. I've said this before, but for me Moore is playing to what he thinks the modern standards and coaching trends are, not to what he's actually got at his disposal with this team. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
31Dec1966 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Even opposition fans can see the problem, along with 20,000 Wednesday fans. Darren Moore can't, or won't, and if only for that reason, he should be sacked before the situation turns very sour indeed . Thanks, Green army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirstyslaces Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, sheffield_dave said: At least on paper you can sort of see what Moore is wanting to do. You can play 3 at the back and have two wing backs as attacking as you want them, near enough as more traditional attacking wide players if you want. As long as you've got at least one midfielder player who is a disciplined ball winner and capable of acting as a shield just infront of that back 3, you should never really have any less than 4 "defenders" at any one time regardless of how far forward your wingbacks are. Our problem is that we simply don't have the personnel to make this work. We don't have 3 first team quality defenders who can form a stable, efficient back 3. We don't have any presence and are far too weak in midfield, which gives us absolutely no protection through the middle - a problem I think we've had and continually failed to address since Wembley. There is no link between the defence and midfield in either a defensive or attacking sense, hence why we end up with Bannan sometimes ending up at centre back and trying to play this weird quarterback role he drifts into. To be honest I'm shocked that more of our draws haven't turned into defeats, because we are so aimless and disjointed with our system and shape. It's no wonder that the standout team in the division have hammered us twice, and it should go without saying that Marvin Johnson and Patterson being in this "back 3" is just a total non-starter. I've said this before, but for me Moore is playing to what he thinks the modern standards and coaching trends are, not to what he's actually got at his disposal with this team. Good post and the last paragraph says it all for me too, personally.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Von shabba Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 @Green Army An really good breakdown of what we see week in week out. It's refreshing to hear a third party analysis sees it basically as we do. Good luck for the rest of the season but with Ryan Lowe at the helm, I think that's a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
areNOTwhatTHEYseem Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Any opposition manager facing Wednesday over the past two or three seasons knows that if they can weather an early storm, we'll cave as soon as things get difficult. And that's if the early storm materialises. Our mentality has been our biggest Achilles heel for years now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrig Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Green Army said: Just wanted to share my viewpoint if that is Ok regarding last night's game. 1) For the first 15 / 20 minutes you tore us apart and where the best team I've seen in this division for a long time. 2) We couldn't cope with your attacks down either wings and a bit more presence / movement in the box and you'd have had a field day. 3) You gifted us possession for the first goal and then..... 4) It honestly looked like your team gave up. You stopped pressing, stopped being aggressive in attack and looked like a different team. 5) Before the game my and my mates were looking at the two squads and trying to pick up best 11. We picked two Argyle players - our goalie (who is going to be a star) and our striker - Hardie. The rest were Wednesday players. 6) At the end of the game we wouldn't have picked any of your players....confidence is such a funny thing...Wednesday were like two different teams in the first half....Jekyll and Hyde. 7) If I was the chairman I'd phone the manager this morning and say if you ever play those centre halfs again then you're going to get sacked. Finally a question... You sold 1050 tickets for the game and about 300 showed up...why would so many people buy a ticket for a game they had no intention of attending? I had the "pleasure" of travelling to and from the game with 3 of my mates who support Argyle last night. They pretty much agreed with you viewpoints above and that 3-0 to a certain point flattered (unlike the league game). As well as you are playing the goals were as much down to our individual errors as anything else. A lesser team probabaly wouldn't have punished us as clynically as you did unfortunately but that's why you're where you are in the league. As soon as the first goal went in heads went down and then Bannan gave the ball away on the edge of the box and it was game over (if wasn't already). Feel we are a almost team, we almost click, we almost get results, but as we aren't getting the results confidence is fragile. Get the feeling that if we could just string a couple of wins together we would turn the corner but not convinced that will happen with the bizzare team selections that we get week after week. Grim times supporting Wednesday. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modboy Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Did Brennan play last night? Trying to avoid reports etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymae's Dad Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 No offense to anyone in this division.... Best team won, league doesnt lie We should be more than capable of beating the majority of teams in the league above never mind league 1 We are (and have been for a years) absolutely dreadful Good look to Plymouth Were the pies any good? Surely better than the Wednesday performance, the club dont deserve the loyalty and commitment of the fans, maybe they could learn something No doubt Accy will spank us Saturday unless we magically grow a pair before then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollymae's Dad Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Check out the highlights on bbc sport website Or not if youve any sense Love the reaction of Wildsmith after the third goal........It was your fault helmetdale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musn't Grumble Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Sounds like the Plymouth that came to Hillsborough on a dark midweek fixture some years back when they were managed by Paul Sturrock. They won 3-1 that night but it could have easily been a lot more. They were not fazed by the "bigger club", stuck to their task and tore us a new one. That's the sort of football that gets you promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
83owl Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 We are crap. Don’t really need a janner to tell us something everybody already knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0742 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, Mollymae's Dad said: Check out the highlights on bbc sport website Or not if youve any sense Love the reaction of Wildsmith after the third goal........It was your fault helmetdale! aye terrible goalkeeping. his decision making is what needs work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwellOwl Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Green Army said: Just wanted to share my viewpoint if that is Ok regarding last night's game. 1) For the first 15 / 20 minutes you tore us apart and where the best team I've seen in this division for a long time. 2) We couldn't cope with your attacks down either wings and a bit more presence / movement in the box and you'd have had a field day. 3) You gifted us possession for the first goal and then..... 4) It honestly looked like your team gave up. You stopped pressing, stopped being aggressive in attack and looked like a different team. 5) Before the game my and my mates were looking at the two squads and trying to pick up best 11. We picked two Argyle players - our goalie (who is going to be a star) and our striker - Hardie. The rest were Wednesday players. 6) At the end of the game we wouldn't have picked any of your players....confidence is such a funny thing...Wednesday were like two different teams in the first half....Jekyll and Hyde. 7) If I was the chairman I'd phone the manager this morning and say if you ever play those centre halfs again then you're going to get sacked. Finally a question... You sold 1050 tickets for the game and about 300 showed up...why would so many people buy a ticket for a game they had no intention of attending? Thanks Green Army - our last 5 years summarised in one post. Great to be a Wednesdayite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzOwl Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Asio otus said: Tbf i dont care about FA cup, but more concerned why did we play a "strong side " given the amount of injuries. Baffling. You’re bothered about playing a strong side rather than the strong side getting flogged again? That is hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jack Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, OzOwl said: You’re bothered about playing a strong side rather than the strong side getting flogged again? That is hilarious No i said WE put out a "strong eleven" for a game that is not a priority, thereby risking further injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendoddsdadsdogsdead Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 6 hours ago, debram said: Its been quite the norm in most games, start off well and then once the other side gets to grips we pack in, purely down to bad management. Goodness me....utter twaddle. If the players start off so well as you say, why can they not keep that up? How on earth that is the managers fault is beyond me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrig Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Hi @Green Army appreciate that you've come on here in good spirit and been fair and constructive, however..... Does it grate that Plymouth is the largest city in Europe never to have a top flight football club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A47Owl Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 7 hours ago, OneManBand said: We all ways throw the towel in when we concede. Sometimes we throw the towel in before we get on the pitch thanks to Frank Bruno telling the players the opposition play wonderful football. Builds zero confidence in the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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