Popular Post CourteenerOwl Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) Most of us went into yesterday game the most optimistic we had all season following the Sunderland result. The prospect of an unchanged side and a similar performance was a real possibility. Lee Gregory injury was a a real blow. So there was Moore first decision of the day. Patterson upfront and Shodipo on the wing. At the time I thought fair play he could have played Hunt and been more defensive but plying Shodipo seemed an attacking move by Moore. It later turned out Hunt was injured so maybe not as much credit as initially thought. I probably would have kept Patterson at RWB (where he is best coming onto the game rather then back to goal) and played Sow upfront. Moore First Sub - Berahino for Wing. This sub alone shows why Moore is tactically inept. Firstly to bring the useless Berahino on anyway is a mistake. Sow looked far better midweek upfront with him. Stronger and Faster. As usual Berahino did nothing. To then move Patterson to CM when we had Adrenian and Luongo on the bench even more baffling. Bringing Sow on the wing. Another strange call when Sow has always looked a little lost out wide but looks like there could be something there through the middle. Adrenain 90th min. Why? What was the point. Anyone whose listened to under the cosh or read the secret footballer will know how players feel about coming on in the 90th min. He should have been on at half time. All our attacks are too slow as usual. We still look disjointed and i analysed the players body language at FT and some of them look seriously fed up with it all. So what did I take from yesterday game and Moore? It was Groundhog Day. Back to the sort of game we experienced before Sunderland and littered with strange decisions from Moore. I think he’s quite clearly tactically naive and his post match interview do KO thing but tell me he’s uninspiring and void of any motivational skills to bring the best out of our players. The one defeat in 14 games stat will protect him but why does no one question his overall win ratio - that Darren Moore is the key stat. Moore Out for me. Edited November 14, 2021 by CourteenerOwl 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owls Loyal Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Great post. No one who has ever watched football would have brought Berahaino on only Moore. Get shot of Moore fast to save the season. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and white Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Darren Moore is worse than Alan Irvine and that's saying something, the man is a truly awful manager. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwestsleftear Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, Blue and white said: Darren Moore is worse than Alan Irvine and that's saying something, the man is a truly awful manager. Alan Irvine 24wins 13draws 22 loses win % 40.7 career win % 39.7 we had worse.... Gary monk 18 wins 15 draws 25 loses 31.0 win % Career win % 37.4 Jos luakey 48 16 wins 13 draws 19 loses 33.33 win % Career win % 38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athelwulf Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Blue and white said: Darren Moore is worse than Alan Irvine and that's saying something, the man is a truly awful manager. Frankly, I think we have to question whether Moore can be deemed a manager. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roy Of The Roasters Posted November 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, CourteenerOwl said: The one defeat in 14 games stat will protect him but why does no one question his overall win ratio - that Darren Moore is the key stat. Maybe because some of us can see the bigger picture; the length of time he's been in the job, the situation he inherited, the squad clear out, the embargo......... Under the circumstances perhaps it's unreasonable to expect us to be tearing L1 a new one straightaway. Yes, we're drawing a lot of games. But we're not losing them. As someone else pointed out earlier, that gives us a good platform to build on. And when you look at yesterdays performance, you can see how close we are to converting draws to wins. 3 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, adamwestsleftear said: Alan Irvine 24wins 13draws 22 loses win % 40.7 career win % 39.7 we had worse.... Gary monk 18 wins 15 draws 25 loses 31.0 win % Career win % 37.4 Jos luakey 48 16 wins 13 draws 19 loses 33.33 win % Career win % 38 the thing with stats they dont always paint a true picture , we all know jos was awful and dull but he took on a car crash with upto 15 injuries after the clown tried to finish this club , so his 1 in 3 wins isnt as bad as it seems . d moore is fast heading for the record of worst swfc manager ever stat. hopefully he resigns on saturday after yet another humiliation ,we have have the away ground im sure enough of us shout moore out he might pick the phone up to chansiri and say i want out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morganowl Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 30 minutes ago, Roy Of The Roasters said: Maybe because some of us can see the bigger picture; the length of time he's been in the job, the situation he inherited, the squad clear out, the embargo......... Under the circumstances perhaps it's unreasonable to expect us to be tearing L1 a new one straightaway. Yes, we're drawing a lot of games. But we're not losing them. As someone else pointed out earlier, that gives us a good platform to build on. And when you look at yesterdays performance, you can see how close we are to converting draws to wins. what embargo? we wouldnt have signed anyone for money anyways no club in league 1 is paying out transfer fees at the present time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 22 hours ago, Roy Of The Roasters said: Maybe because some of us can see the bigger picture; the length of time he's been in the job, the situation he inherited, the squad clear out, the embargo......... Under the circumstances perhaps it's unreasonable to expect us to be tearing L1 a new one straightaway. Yes, we're drawing a lot of games. But we're not losing them. As someone else pointed out earlier, that gives us a good platform to build on. And when you look at yesterdays performance, you can see how close we are to converting draws to wins. We are very good as a club at making excuses for poor managers. Other clubs are as shambolic as us off the field yet they have managers that come in and can still deliver results. If you asked the other 23 managers in this league whose squad they would like to manage. Most would say ours. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Still struggle to score goals, keep clean sheets with any consistency and of greater concern, still cant pick up points against dogshit teams in the bottom half. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny owl Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 21 hours ago, morganowl said: the thing with stats they dont always paint a true picture , we all know jos was awful and dull but he took on a car crash with upto 15 injuries after the clown tried to finish this club , so his 1 in 3 wins isnt as bad as it seems . d moore is fast heading for the record of worst swfc manager ever stat. hopefully he resigns on saturday after yet another humiliation ,we have have the away ground im sure enough of us shout moore out he might pick the phone up to chansiri and say i want out. Defending Jos while blaming Carlos. Barmy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoesJackHunt Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, CourteenerOwl said: We are very good as a club at making excuses for poor managers. Other clubs are as shambolic as us off the field yet they have managers that come in and can still deliver results. If you asked the other 23 managers in this league whose squad they would like to manage. Most would say ours. I thought we played fairly well on Saturday, have been improving and are becoming more of a settled side with settled personnel in recent weeks. I'm not sure people are making excuses for Darren Moore, you've already made your mind up about Moore which is fine.. but and some are willing to give him more time, based on the circumstances, player turn over, points deduction, crazy chairman not paying people etc.. A lot of us are seeing signs of improvement. If we are seeing signs of improvement, even if it's slow improvement, should we change managers? - it's a bit of gamble isn't it. Do you trust that DC will appoint someone who's going to take the squad by the scruff of the neck and turn them into the best team in league one overnight.? - i'm not sure i do How do you know most of the other managers would say they want our squad? - I'm not sure i would say i wanted our squad, from what i've seen so far, I'd probably take Plymouth's to be honest. That's not to say we aren't capable of doing a lot better, i believe we can and I hope we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, DoesJackHunt said: I thought we played fairly well on Saturday, have been improving and are becoming more of a settled side with settled personnel in recent weeks. I'm not sure people are making excuses for Darren Moore, you've already made your mind up about Moore which is fine.. but and some are willing to give him more time, based on the circumstances, player turn over, points deduction, crazy chairman not paying people etc.. A lot of us are seeing signs of improvement. If we are seeing signs of improvement, even if it's slow improvement, should we change managers? - it's a bit of gamble isn't it. Do you trust that DC will appoint someone who's going to take the squad by the scruff of the neck and turn them into the best team in league one overnight.? - i'm not sure i do How do you know most of the other managers would say they want our squad? - I'm not sure i would say i wanted our squad, from what i've seen so far, I'd probably take Plymouth's to be honest. That's not to say we aren't capable of doing a lot better, i believe we can and I hope we will. If playing well is just getting the ball to Shodipo or Corbeanu to cut in and out all game then I guess we did. There is a reason we cannot beat any of these teams in the bottom half. We are so predicable in our attacks when teams just sit back. We beat Sunderland 3-0 and it was crying out to keep the same team. Gregory changed that but instead of just starting Sow, he moved Patterson away from RWM, swapped Corbeanu from the wing he played well on and played Shodipo on the left. Why was Adrenian taken out and not Wing, if he felt the middle 3 needed changing. Our squad is huge. There is not a squad in the league with our depth and quality. I don't trust the chairman to get the appointment right no, which is the main reason Moore is probably still getting any backing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoesJackHunt Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, CourteenerOwl said: If playing well is just getting the ball to Shodipo or Corbeanu to cut in and out all game then I guess we did. There is a reason we cannot beat any of these teams in the bottom half. We are so predicable in our attacks when teams just sit back. We beat Sunderland 3-0 and it was crying out to keep the same team. Gregory changed that but instead of just starting Sow, he moved Patterson away from RWM, swapped Corbeanu from the wing he played well on and played Shodipo on the left. Why was Adrenian taken out and not Wing, if he felt the middle 3 needed changing. Our squad is huge. There is not a squad in the league with our depth and quality. I don't trust the chairman to get the appointment right no, which is the main reason Moore is probably still getting any backing. Well we did hit the post and if Corbeanu showed a bit more composure instead of blasting the ball straight at there keeper, who actually made a couple of decent stops , then we win the game. You can only take things one game at a time and I genuinely believe we are slowly improving. I don't know about why he made those choices in selection, i would have done the same or similar to you by the sounds of it. Our squad is strong in terms of depth, I'm not convinced all the players have the required quality , yet. Especially, in the attacking areas. I can only speak for myself but he's getting backing from me at the moment, not just because of the chairman being useless, but also because of the events of last season and the roll over effect to this season, I know you think the turn over of player and stuff are just convenient excuses (i can see where you are coming from) but i honestly believe they have have had a bearing on how the start of this season has panned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, DoesJackHunt said: Well we did hit the post and if Corbeanu showed a bit more composure instead of blasting the ball straight at there keeper, who actually made a couple of decent stops , then we win the game. You can only take things one game at a time and I genuinely believe we are slowly improving. I don't know about why he made those choices in selection, i would have done the same or similar to you by the sounds of it. Our squad is strong in terms of depth, I'm not convinced all the players have the required quality , yet. Especially, in the attacking areas. I can only speak for myself but he's getting backing from me at the moment, not just because of the chairman being useless, but also because of the events of last season and the roll over effect to this season, I know you think the turn over of player and stuff are just convenient excuses (i can see where you are coming from) but i honestly believe they have have had a bearing on how the start of this season has panned out. I hope you are right, I don' want to be changing managers every season either. I just worry about Moore. He fills me with no confidence whatsoever when he speaks to the media and I just hope the players get a different version in the changing room. That Gillingham side were one of the worse teams we will play this season, we should be beating them 3 or 4 nil but instead we are scraping draws. Then again that shot that goes in that hits the post, we probably do win 3 or 4. I am hoping Windass will turn some of these draws into wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Crawshaw Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 On 14/11/2021 at 12:12, CourteenerOwl said: The one defeat in 14 games stat will protect him but why does no one question his overall win ratio - that Darren Moore is the key stat. The worrying stat in the last 13 league games. W3 D7 L3 Points 16. Mostly against bottom half teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted November 15, 2021 Author Share Posted November 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tommy Crawshaw said: The worrying stat in the last 13 league games. W3 D7 L3 Points 16. Mostly against bottom half teams. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoesJackHunt Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 No, I appreciate Darren Moore needs to do better. He needs to improve results and performances, we cant' keeping taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back, it needs to be a continually upwards improvement in performances now. We aren't going to win every single game but we need to win a lot more of them and play on the front foot. yep, really looking forward to having Windass back as well. A fully fit Windass will tear this league apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid Wicket Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 26 minutes ago, DoesJackHunt said: No, I appreciate Darren Moore needs to do better. He needs to improve results and performances, we cant' keeping taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back, it needs to be a continually upwards improvement in performances now. We aren't going to win every single game but we need to win a lot more of them and play on the front foot. yep, really looking forward to having Windass back as well. A fully fit Windass will tear this league apart. I'll be glad to get Windass back but he's never been prolific in front of goal 9 in 41 games for us, 9 in 54 for Wigan. I think having Luongo back and fit is just as important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DoesJackHunt Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jakes Grandad said: I'll be glad to get Windass back but he's never been prolific in front of goal 9 in 41 games for us, 9 in 54 for Wigan. I think having Luongo back and fit is just as important. Yeah definitely. Both will improve the team when fully fit. I like to think Windass will score a few more in this league, he's a good age and has played a lot of football at a higher level, it's a good point though, he's not been a goal machine. He'll be a massive boost to our attacking options though regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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