Darren Moore was not allowed to play out of the back

[Guest]

Darren Moore was not allowed to play out of the back when he played for Gary Megson when they won promotion from the championship to the premiership. Megson  would not allow his keeper to roll the ball out to Darren because he was not capable of playing the ball out of the back. Why does Darren think that players who aren’t as good as him can do the same in league one. We have quite a good squad of the players, change the style of play. Play more direct nobody cares, just put points on the board for god sake.

[Morepork]

He's not the first manager to think he can take a technically limited player and turn him into a ball player, he won't be the last. It's crazy and it defies logic but it's just one of several fundamental issues we have with our tactical approach.  

Edited October 24, 2021 by Morepork

[Emerson Thome]

Just the millionth reminder that Gary Megson was sacked by Mandaric because Wednesday were 6 points adrift* of the automatic promotion places.

 

We had just been beaten by Exeter, Stevenage and Chesterfield in 3 consecutive games, before the 1-0 win against United.

 

Megson has not been employed as a manager in the 9 years since. So basing our tactics on what Megson did in 2004 at West Brom might not be the answer.

 

Moore is currently 9 points adrift of the automatic promotion places (win the game in hand, the gap is cut to 6). So we'll have to see where he is in March. But the target for Megson, and for Moore, is automatic promotion and Megson failed. When we started to pass the ball a bit more under Dave Jones the results picked up dramatically. Megson got 1.8 points per game, Jones 2.5 point per game. Moore is at 1.5 points per game, so it is up to him to improve that.

 

*2 points on the day Megson was sacked, but United had 2 games in hand, they won the game in hand on the 29th Feb, stretching the gap to 5 points, and drew the other game in hand (on 13th March).

 

 

[Ian]

7 minutes ago, Emerson Thome said:

 

 

Moore is currently 9 points adrift of the automatic promotion places (win the game in hand, the gap is cut to 6). 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2021 by Ian

[Guest buster123]

2 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

Just the millionth reminder that Gary Megson was sacked by Mandaric because Wednesday were 6 points adrift* of the automatic promotion places.

 

We had just been beaten by Exeter, Stevenage and Chesterfield in 3 consecutive games, before the 1-0 win against United.

 

Megson has not been employed as a manager in the 9 years since. So basing our tactics on what Megson did in 2004 at West Brom might not be the answer.

 

Moore is currently 9 points adrift of the automatic promotion places (win the game in hand, the gap is cut to 6). So we'll have to see where he is in March. But the target for Megson, and for Moore, is automatic promotion and Megson failed. When we started to pass the ball a bit more under Dave Jones the results picked up dramatically. Megson got 1.8 points per game, Jones 2.5 point per game. Moore is at 1.5 points per game, so it is up to him to improve that.

 

*2 points on the day Megson was sacked, but United had 2 games in hand, they won the game in hand on the 29th Feb, stretching the gap to 5 points, and drew the other game in hand (on 13th March).

 

 

What are you going on about, read the post again. All it said was Moore wasn't aloud to receive the ball from the keeper or play it out of the back when he played for Megson.

[carloss]

7 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

When we started to pass the ball a bit more under Dave Jones the results picked up dramatically.*

 

*Antonio

[Chansiri is king]

10 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

Just the millionth reminder that Gary Megson was sacked by Mandaric because Wednesday were 6 points adrift* of the automatic promotion places.

 

We had just been beaten by Exeter, Stevenage and Chesterfield in 3 consecutive games, before the 1-0 win against United.

 

Megson has not been employed as a manager in the 9 years since. So basing our tactics on what Megson did in 2004 at West Brom might not be the answer.

 

Moore is currently 9 points adrift of the automatic promotion places (win the game in hand, the gap is cut to 6). So we'll have to see where he is in March. But the target for Megson, and for Moore, is automatic promotion and Megson failed. When we started to pass the ball a bit more under Dave Jones the results picked up dramatically. Megson got 1.8 points per game, Jones 2.5 point per game. Moore is at 1.5 points per game, so it is up to him to improve that.

 

*2 points on the day Megson was sacked, but United had 2 games in hand, they won the game in hand on the 29th Feb, stretching the gap to 5 points, and drew the other game in hand (on 13th March).

 

 

 

you mean draw the game in hand 

[Ellis Rimmer]

Most PL teams can’t even do it well, let alone league one players 

[matthefish2002]

Think playing out of the back and getting a bunch of new players adapted to a new style of football can work.

But you need a lot of patience and time before it gels. Probably well over a season.

If Wednesday want to play this style you probably need to accept this season will be a season of consolidation.

But most fans wont accept this, probably me included.

Plus we didn't get in something like 7 loan players to take time bedding down a new style of play over the long term.

[BIG D]

I saw this first with my own eyes a few years back at the Etihad when I went to see City v Barca.

It looked crazy then with world class players doing (I think Barca cocked up that night). To see it now in League 1 takes some believing.

[wellbeaten-the-owl]

10 hours ago, buster123 said:

Darren Moore was not allowed to play out of the back when he played for Gary Megson when they won promotion from the championship to the premiership. Megson  would not allow his keeper to roll the ball out to Darren because he was not capable of playing the ball out of the back. Why does Darren think that players who aren’t as good as him can do the same in league one. We have quite a good squad of the players, change the style of play. Play more direct nobody cares, just put points on the board for god sake.

Direct doesn't have to mean long ball, direct pressing football with wingers and two up top is more exciting to watch than center halves messing about with it at the back.

[wellbeaten-the-owl]

3 minutes ago, matthefish2002 said:

Think playing out of the back and getting a bunch of new players adapted to a new style of football can work.

But you need a lot of patience and time before it gels. Probably well over a season.

If Wednesday want to play this style you probably need to accept this season will be a season of consolidation.

But most fans wont accept this, probably me included.

Plus we didn't get in something like 7 loan players to take time bedding down a new style of play over the long term.

Point is need to get out of this division asap and not mess around, recruitment has been good and playing basic percentage football should be more than good enough to challenge for top two.  

 

It's ok if you a mid table championship club and you have time to develop like Brentford did but where we are style of play is not important it's results full stop

[Blatter]

21 minutes ago, Ellis Rimmer said:

Most PL teams can’t even do it well, let alone league one players 

So true. Did you watch Man U trying to play out from the back vLiverpool yesterday. 

[Manwë]

11 hours ago, Morepork said:

He's not the first manager to think he can take a technically limited player and turn him into a ball player, he won't be the last. It's crazy and it defies logic but it's just one of several fundamental issues we have with our tactical approach.  

Find it utterly bizarre that there are professional footballers who even at our level are earning serious money, who are unable to perform basic functions like passing a few yards forward with some confidence of accuracy.

[BIG D]

It’s more than that though. It requires quick thinking, great first touch and movement of other players. 

[sheffield_dave]

Everything about Moore stinks of abiding to what he thinks the modern standards are of how to play the game.

 

Is our team actually set up to play in the formation it does and play the ball around from the back, or is that just the modern trend for how coaches think the game should be played?

[farlego]

1 hour ago, matthefish2002 said:

Think playing out of the back and getting a bunch of new players adapted to a new style of football can work.

But you need a lot of patience and time before it gels. Probably well over a season.

If Wednesday want to play this style you probably need to accept this season will be a season of consolidation.

But most fans wont accept this, probably me included.

Plus we didn't get in something like 7 loan players to take time bedding down a new style of play over the long term.

If we are giving him the season for the players to gel and understand the style ( which I don’t think we should) if play what happens when a 3rd of our squad who are on loan go back to their parent clubs. We start again with their replacements?

[CalmJimmers]

It can be a legitimate tactic if you've got the players for it. It either draws teams out for the counter or allows you to suffocate a team with more possession.

 

If you don't have the players for it, ala us, it invites pressure and makes everybody nervy, and you can make mistakes in your own third.

 

Our two fit CBs atm are more solid type defenders than effective ball players. Dunno why we don't try and get the ball into the final two thirds quicker where our legitimate ball players are. Might make our defenders and keeper less nervous when they know all they have to do is make an easy pass or clear it.

[Morepork]

1 hour ago, Manwë said:

Find it utterly bizarre that there are professional footballers who even at our level are earning serious money, who are unable to perform basic functions like passing a few yards forward with some confidence of accuracy.

We’ve got a couple of individuals that probably find walking a challenge…..

[room0035]

12 hours ago, Emerson Thome said:

Just the millionth reminder that Gary Megson was sacked by Mandaric because Wednesday were 6 points adrift* of the automatic promotion places.

 

We had just been beaten by Exeter, Stevenage and Chesterfield in 3 consecutive games, before the 1-0 win against United.

 

Megson has not been employed as a manager in the 9 years since. So basing our tactics on what Megson did in 2004 at West Brom might not be the answer.

 

Moore is currently 9 points adrift of the automatic promotion places (win the game in hand, the gap is cut to 6). So we'll have to see where he is in March. But the target for Megson, and for Moore, is automatic promotion and Megson failed. When we started to pass the ball a bit more under Dave Jones the results picked up dramatically. Megson got 1.8 points per game, Jones 2.5 point per game. Moore is at 1.5 points per game, so it is up to him to improve that.

 

*2 points on the day Megson was sacked, but United had 2 games in hand, they won the game in hand on the 29th Feb, stretching the gap to 5 points, and drew the other game in hand (on 13th March).

 

 

Who is the game in hand against then, as currently in league one we have no games in hand on any of the teams in the top 6, other than Plymouth and Sunderland have a game in hand on us.

 

And forgive me if I am wrong, we have a game to rearrange against a team currently 3rd so there is more chance we may not win this game.