FreshOwl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Literally all 4 divisions have ball playing centre backs these days. it’s not personal with Dunkley. He’s awful with the ball , can’t pass, positional sense is poor. He’s Ashley Westwood reincarnated The only suitable partner for Iorfa is Hutch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmowl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 minute ago, FreshOwl said: Literally all 4 divisions have ball playing centre backs these days. it’s not personal with Dunkley. He’s awful with the ball , can’t pass, positional sense is poor. He’s Ashley Westwood reincarnated The only suitable partner for Iorfa is Hutch Let’s be honest - Iorfa isn’t great at it either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) For me, 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 is somewhat of a specialist system and you need certain players to fulfill certain roles in it. Not every CB is comfortable in a three, particularly where there is often more expectation for them to be comfortable on the ball. You also have the issue that in a three, CBs will have to venture into the wider areas (at times) and not everyone is comfortable doing this. It is also a fact that not all fullbacks make great wing backs, nor do all wingers. Once again, I'd view wingback as quite a specialist position where some thrive and many do not. Our squad does not have the players at present to play in this formation. The only one who seems comfortable is Hunt. Everyone else looks uncomfortable and shoehorned into a formation that doesn't suit them, particularly in defence. Edited October 24, 2021 by SiJ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshOwl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Holmowl said: Let’s be honest - Iorfa isn’t great at it either. His form has nosedived off a cliff. So disappointing. Perhaps the injury? Or perhaps his level has been brought down by the sh*t around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I’m sad now. Can we just stop playing out from the back please? We are garbage at it and I don’t enjoy watching Sheffield Wednesday any more. If it’s driving decision making that ends up with Marvin Johnson at CB then it’s clearly gash. Please make it stop. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiJ Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Iorfa is crap on the ball too. Dunkley is just worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willie Henderson Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Derby owl said: With this manager in charge who knows where the players will play? I half exspect to see bannan in goal next week.! Not a bad shout that, at least he wouldn't have a monopoly on corners. That was a joke Darren, DO NOT do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sMacLean Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) Wigan's good form was without Dunkley, I wouldn't pick him either If I had the option. Shocked that Moore might actually have identified his lack of skill. Edited October 24, 2021 by sMacLean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) It’s not just that Dunkley is bad on the ball he is so so slow!!!!!! He moves like a snail. The guy is useless. He’s not even that great in the air which many say is his best quality. Surely we have to consider recalling Brennan? Edited October 24, 2021 by CourteenerOwl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 36 minutes ago, Holmowl said: OK, but square this circle. We’ve a manager who insists on playing out from the back. Dunkley is awful at this, even on the right, let alone on the left. Who would you play on the left of Iorfa? Hutchinson or Gibson when fit, adapt the tactics when they’re unavailable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basement Jack Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Almost every thread turns into a discussion about our formation The fact that this happens suggests we haven’t got one We are not even close to identifying what it is 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrie’s Left Peg Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, frastheowl said: playing out from the back, isn't totally dependent on having ball playing defenders. Any professional can play 10 yard passes...Dunkley has a couple of options in front of him, there's no reason why he couldn't play in such a system...but it's about the whole shape. 100%. Absolutely this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazowl55 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Seems to me like the players aren't that happy with the tactics. Like Pulis this is only going one way. And maybe quicker then we think. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 59 minutes ago, SiJ said: And yes, I think Dunkley often look like a bombscare, but he's a much better defender than Marvin bloody Johnson. I am a big critic of Dunkley but this decision is Moore putting his mad idea about playing the ball out from the back over basic defending. I am old fashioned I like my defenders to defend not try and be something they are not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudentOwl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, CourteenerOwl said: It’s not just that Dunkley is bad on the ball he is so so slow!!!!!! He moves like a snail. The guy is useless. He’s not even that great in the air which many say is his best quality. What the actual hell? Accorseing to WhoScored, Dunkley wins on average 6.2 aerial duals per 90 minutes. The next best in the squad is Iorfa with 4.1, then Sam Hutchinson with 3.5. Taking a step back, 'only' 9 players in the division win more aerial duals than Dunkley per 90 minutes of football played. You're allowed to not rate a player, but don't just make stuff up. Edited October 24, 2021 by StudentOwl 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Yen Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, SallyCinnamon said: Not looking great for Moore. Adenarin interview yesterday and Dunkley coming out with this. I know neither are hardly slagging the gaffer off, but seems a very frustrated camp. Signs are there, the cracks are starting to appear. But is anyone surprised??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The coach Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said: I am a big critic of Dunkley but this decision is Moore putting his mad idea about playing the ball out from the back over basic defending. I am old fashioned I like my defenders to defend not try and be something they are not Donny fans warned us about a lot of this stuff but they got shouted down as bitter...tinpot etc...what a tragic appointment this as tu4ned out to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Archers Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, CourteenerOwl said: Not like Dunkley to be gobbing off. Whilst I don’t agree with playing Johnson at CB, let’s be honest, it shows you how diabolical Dunkley is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CourteenerOwl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, StudentOwl said: What the actual hell? Accorseing to WhoScored, Dunkley wins on average 6.2 aerial duals per 90 minutes. The next best in the squad is Iorfa with 4.1, then Sam Hutchinson with 3.5. Taking a step back, 'only' 9 players in the division win more aerial duals than Dunkley per 90 minutes of football played. You're allowed to not rate a player, but don't just make stuff up. He may win them, but not convincingly imo. They never go very far out of danger. Stats can be misleading. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage owl Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, SallyCinnamon said: Not sure if it can be easily saved by sacking Moore. Chansiri doesn’t have a great record of getting the right manager in. Not great ? . He’s a serial employer of inadequate managers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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